The Rebels of Libya

[Visions]

The following is a current news article related to the visions of the Bible prophets with regard for the setting in the Middle East at the time of the end of this present age:

Pro-Al Qaeda brigades control Qaddafi Tripoli strongholds seized by rebels
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report August 28, 2011

Abd Al-Hakim Belhadj, pro-Al Qaeda LIFG chief

Members of the Al Qaeda-linked Libyan Islamic Fighting Group – LIFG, are in control of the former strongholds of Muammar Qaddafi captured by Libyan rebels last Sunday, Aug. 21, DEBKAfile reports from sources in Libya.

They are fighting under the command of Abd Al-Hakim Belhadj, an al Qaeda veteran from Afghanistan whom the CIA captured in Malaysia in 2003 and extradited six years later to Libya where Qaddafi held him in prison.

Belhadj is on record as rejecting any political form of coexistence with the Crusaders excepting jihad.

His brigades were the principal rebel force in the operation for the capture of Qaddafi's Bab al-Aziziya ruling compound on Aug. 23. Saturday, Aug. 27, those brigades overran the Abu Salim district of southern Tripoli taking it from the last pro-Qaddafi holdouts in the city. Many of the prisoners released from the local jail belonged to al Qaeda.

The LIFG chief now styles himself "Commander of the Tripoli Military Council." Asked by our sources whether they plan to hand control of the Libyan capital to the National Transitional Council, which has been recognized in the West, the jihadi fighters made a gesture of dismissal without answering.

According to US and British media, at least half of the members of the NTC have moved from Benghazi to Tripoli, the key condition for the receipt of Qaddafi's frozen assets and international aid. But there is no confirmation from our sources that this has happened.

Tripoli is rife with disorder, awash with weapons and prey to reciprocal allegations of atrocities. Our sources doubt that the council will be able to assert control of - or even a presence in - Tripoli any time soon. US intelligence sources in Tripoli see no sign that the NTC will be able to persuade the Islamist brigades to relinquish control of the city in the near future - or even lay down arms.

Those arms are advanced items which British and French special operations forces gave the rebels, said a senior American source. Had those NATO contingents not led the Tripoli operation, the rebels unaided would not have captured Qaddafi's centers of government.

A week after that dramatic episode, Tripoli's institutions of government have wound up in the hands of fighting Islamist brigades belonging to al Qaeda, who are now armed to the teeth with the hardware seized from Qaddafi's arsenals. No Western or Libyan military force can conceive of dislodging the Islamists from the Libyan capital in the foreseeable future.

Libya has thus created a new model which can only hearten the Islamist extremists eyeing further gains from the Arab Revolt. They may justly conclude that NATO will come to their aid for a rebellion to topple any autocratic Arab ruler. The coalition of British, French, Qatari and Jordanian special forces, with quiet US intelligence support, for capturing Tripoli and ousting Qaddafi, almost certainly met with US President Barack Obama's approval.

For the first time, therefore, the armies of Western members of NATO took part directly in a bid by extremist Islamic forces to capture an Arab capital and overthrow its ruler.

An attempt to vindicate the way this NATO operation has turned out is underway. Western media are being fed portrayals of the rebel leadership as a coherent and responsible political and military force holding sway from Benghazi in the east up to the Tunisian border in the west.

This depiction is false. Our military sources report that the bulk of rebel military strength in central and western Libya is not under NTC command, nor does it obey orders from rebel headquarters in Benghazi.

This chaotic situation in rebel ranks underscores the importance of the effort the NTC has mounted to capture Sirte, Qaddafi's home town, where most of his support is concentrated. Control of Sirte, which lies between Benghazi and Tripoli, will provide the NTC and its leader Abdul Jalil, with a counterweight for the pro-Al Qaeda brigades in control of the capital.

My comments:

If all of this is true about the outcome of the Libyan revolt the west has again revealed incompetence and ignorance by directly supporting Middle Eastern Islamic terrorists .... this ignorance, weakness, and providence shows for the eventual downfall of the USA and western Europe

Western failure and withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan gives evidence of the inability to subdue and bring western styled democracy to the implacable Islamic Middle East .... even with the invention of superior military capabilities

The scriptures tell that the unsettled Middle East will provide the backdrop for the rise of the little horn [Micah 5:5-6] seen in Daniel's visions who will conquer and confederate the Islamic masses into his divided kingdom of iron and clay, a core mixture of those who have inhabited the Middle East since the flood of Noah's day [2thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-14]

These populations are primarily of Assyrian, Babylonian, Turk-o-man; Arabian; Palestinian; Persian, Afghan; Pakistani; Egyptian; Libyan; Ethiopian ancestry .... they are the transgressors noted [Daniel 2:40-43; 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45]

Mixed by ethnic and religious persuasion, divided by political faction, and bonded by Islamic theology .... the little horn will have to conquer and align these rebellious populations in order to gain the following of millions which he will do according to the visions of the Bible prophets

[DurbanDude]

For the first time, therefore, the armies of Western members of NATO took part directly in a bid by extremist Islamic forces to capture an Arab capital and overthrow its ruler.

Visions, let us wait and see if what you are saying is true. I believe the EU intelligence and support for the rebels is more than an assist and wait and see policy. They are monitoring the entire process and its pretty clear to those of us outside of The West, that the West is stabilising and conquering old enemies on its doorstep. They just will not allow an aggressive anti-West government to arise at this stage. It would make sense to rather introduce a regional government while all the turmoil exists, and in that manner have some sort of central control over all the countries of the region.

I don't think it will take long for us to confirm which way these Arabic countries are going, I believe its pro-West and will therefore benefit future peace in Israel, you seem to believe they are consoladating for an attack on Israel.

[Visions]

"you seem to believe they are consoladating for an attack on Israel"

They will do this when Satan's beast in the little horn rises among them [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 36; 38; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Joel:9-21; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 12:2-3; 14:1-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-24; Revelation 11:2; 12:6; 12:14; 13:1-4]

The scope of the prophetic visions of the Bible prophets are all focused upon Israel and the Middle East of the ancient past .... and at the future time of the end appointed .... not the western nations .... it is the Lord who will cause Satan's short lived victory .... and then his defeat [Ezekiel 38; 39; 2Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 12:12; 19:11-21; 20:1-3]

The mixed populations of the Middle East today are still Assyrian, Babylonian, Medes, Persian, Turko-man, Egyptian, Afghan, and Pakistani .... the common bondage is the religion of Islam [the pre-Islamics worshiped the crescent moon "god" who is "Allah"] .... this satanic meddling was carried forward and spread by the false prophet Mohammed

The Islamic Middle East is not pro-western and never will be, will never embrace western styled democracy, and only wants an Islamic theocracy .... for western nations to think otherwise is folly and this should be very evident .... every western attempt to influence and control the Middle East ends up in failure and there is a reason ..... the Lord has a different agenda

The current stirring in the region is only a prelude to the rising of Satan's beast who will confederate his base of operations in the Middle East .... this development could happen very quickly, or may take longer

Things may not seem to you that this true, but one must rely upon the prophetic scriptures alone and not selective speculation about the way the world setting appears to us at present .... we do not know the future .... only the Lord knows the end before the beginning and has revealed it in His prophetic word by His Bible prophets

Satan is the one who hates the Lord and Israel, and the followers of his beast detest western domination [Revelation 17:16-18; 18:1-21] .... the beast will be their trump card and no human effort will stop him [Revelation 13:4]

Only the Lord can and will bring him to his own destruction .... it is the Lord who will win the game by seeking an end to all national governments in on way or another and only His nation of Israel will be left standing [Jeremiah 30:1-11; 31:31-37]

[DurbanDude]

The Islamic Middle East is not pro-western and never will be, will never embrace western styled democracy, and only wants an Islamic theocracy .... for western nations to think otherwise is folly and this should be very evident .... every western attempt to influence and control the Middle East ends up in failure and there is a reason ..... the Lord has a different agenda

I've heard your arguments before, and agree that the future will unfold as prophetically predicted despite what appears on the current political spectrum. I just believe you are not correct with the order of events prophesied in the Middle east, and the nature of the alliances. But both of us are in agreement with some of the details:

We both agree that satan will cause the Middle Eastern/ Arabic countries to "confederate" as you put it.
We both agree that this "confederation" of countries will unite against Israel at the end.

Where we disagree is the interpretation of Rev 17, the woman that rides the beast. As I have said before , all indications are that this woman is Rome, if Rome rides the beast, this would indicate Western influence over the arising "Islamic" beast.

Additionally, history shows that the fourth kingdom of Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 is actually Rome, because the other 3 kingdoms followed chronologically and dominated the previous one militarily. Rome is therefore the 4th kingdom that rules until Jesus comes, not Islam.

[Visions]

..... but recorded history after the Lord's cutting off [about 33 A.D.] is not included in the visions of the Bible prophets .... and the visions resume at the time of the end still pending .... Rome and subsequent events upon the earth up to this day are not in the scope of the visions

If one does not understand this precept as a part of their study and interpretation .... all sorts of misleading things can be speculated and inserted in the breach .... and Rome existed in the breach as well as additional and successive rulers of the Middle East

.... and nothing states that the "woman" is specifically Rome .... you have to look at the bigger picture in order to understand this symbol of an intransigent lost world of humanity .... Revelation's picture is comprehensive .... past, present, and more specifically at the time of the end

It is her "great city" part that is dominating the beast and his 10 kings ..... these hate this setting and they will destroy this central and dominating part of MBG thereby removing the great city from standing in the way of their quest to rule the earth

Revelation 17:16-18 and 18:1-21 is not a description of the RCC, but something much different

Reformation theology is bankrupt with the wrong interpretation .... however, apostate religious movements are a part of human rebellion against the Lord, but the RCC is not the only one

[DurbanDude]

.... and nothing states that the "woman" is specifically Rome .... you have to look at the bigger picture in order to understand this symbol of an intransigent lost world of humanity .... Revelation's picture is comprehensive .... past, present, and more specifically at the time of the end

I believe Rev 17:18 is pretty clear about the woman being a city, and identifies the city:

18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

That sentence was written when Rome ruled over many kings.

For the last 2000 years Rome and the Western Roman Empire of Western Europe , has been the city most associated with world trade, persecutions, purple and scarlet robes, golden cups, precious jewels. Why look elsewhere when Rome fits so well?

Rome rides the Middle Eastern beast, its happening right before our eyes, Europe is creating a beast.

[Visions]

"The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth"

The Vatican does not rule over the kings of the earth today and is certainly not the worldwide economic and trading giant described in Revelation 18 by any stretch of the imagination

You are not reading Revelation carefully

It is true that Satan's beast in the little horn and his 10 other kings will rise in the Middle East, but this region of the world is not dominated by the Vatican by a long stretch .... and never will be

There is a "great city" part of MBG that is dominating the Middle East today and the beast and his 10 kings will destroy this great city at the beginning of the coming tribulation period

These inhabitants of the Middle East hate this great city of western origin and will burn it with fire and destroy it on one day ..... and this devastating attack will shake the world and will cause economic collapse accross the globe

The RRC's Vatican simply does not measure up and its destruction would have very little effect upon the economies of the world

[DurbanDude]

"The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth"

The Vatican does not rule over the kings of the earth today and is certainly not the worldwide economic and trading giant described in Revelation 18 by any stretch of the imagination

You are not reading Revelation carefully

It is true that Satan's beast in the little horn and his 10 other kings will rise in the Middle East, but this region of the world is not dominated by the Vatican by a long stretch .... and never will be

There is a "great city" part of MBG that is dominating the Middle East today and the beast and his 10 kings will destroy this great city at the beginning of the coming tribulation period

These inhabitants of the Middle East hate this great city of western origin and will burn it with fire and destroy it on one day ..... and this devastating attack will shake the world and will cause economic collapse accross the globe

The RRC's Vatican simply does not measure up and its destruction would have very little effect upon the economies of the world

To summarise, the RCI and western Europe are closely related, and Rome and western Europe have always been closely related since the rise of Rome. Western Europe is the empire that belongs to the city of Rome, Europe is the stamping ground of the Pope, its figurehead leader. The Pope wears 3 crowns, sits on a throne, wears emperors robes, and is received by Catholic and non-Catholic countries in Europe as an emperor, with greater "red carpet" treatment than any other leader on earth. I'm referring here to his visits to the UK and Spain. If you understand conspiracy theory, you will understand the inter-relationships between the RCI and Western Banking and European Politics. Both have the symbol of a woman with twelve stars, the RCI does not even hide its relationship with Europe. Europe has the trade.

Here is an excellent article showing the inter-relationship between the EU and the Catholic Church, its a Baptist website.
http://www.wayoflife.org/files/bae96...3dc78-356.html


The beast (the new Islamic/Jewish empire) will hate the prostitute (The Western European control over it).

[Visions]

"If you understand conspiracy theory, you will understand the inter-relationships between the RCI and Western Banking and European Politics. Both have the symbol of a woman with twelve stars, the RCI does not even hide its relationship with Europe. Europe has the trade."


Conspiracy theories are wild speculations and anti-Semitic racially biased political movements that mix their agendas with a "christian" fronting .... there is simply no truth in any of them

Now I see why you believe and post as you do on a number of subjects

You have been misled by those who uphold the brand of conspiracy theory that you suggest .... there are a number of them .... and I do understand them


Update on the Libyan situation which is the subject of this posting:

The Obama administration finally acknowledged Wednesday, Aug. 31 that al Qaeda elements had been fighting in Libyan rebel ranks in last week's capture of Tripoli. This came about in a cautious remark from the office of President Barack Obama's terrorism adviser John Brennan: "Some members of the LIFG [Al Qaeda's Libyan Islamic Fighting Group offshoot] in the past had connections with al Qaeda in Sudan, Afghanistan or Pakistan. Others dropped their relationship with al Qaeda entirely. It seems from their statements and support for establishing a democracy in Libya that this faction of LIFG does not support al Qaeda. We'll definitely be watching to see whether this is for real or just for show."

DEBKAfile's military sources revealed Sunday, Aug. 28 that LIFG fighters had fought in the rebel capture of Tripoli on Sunday Aug. 21. Their commander, Abd Al-Hakim Belhadj, a veteran al Qaeda fighter from Afghanistan later extradited to Libya and held in prison there, had led the battle for the Qaddafi stronghold of Bab al-Aziziya two days later and has since proclaimed himself Commander of the Tripoli Military Council.


This confronts the US administration with the sole choice of accepting this fait accompli, especially after American reporters discovered in Muammar Qaddafi's abandoned intelligence headquarters files attesting to the former Libyan ruler's campaign against Al Qaeda's Libyan recruits and outside infiltrators. Those files contained a map charting the day to day movements of al Qaeda and other extremist Muslim operatives in the country and their current addresses.


They also found documentary evidence of the close reciprocal ties Qaddafi maintained with Western counter-terror agencies, sharing with them the data his agencies gathered on al Qaeda movements.

Until now, President Barack Obama dismissed Qaddafi's warnings that the rebellion which broke out against him in February would open the door for al Qaeda to seize power in Libya.


Our intelligence and counter-terror sources find the Brennan statement from the White House raised more questions than it answered:

1. Nothing was said about Washington's reaction should the LIFG turn out in the future to pursue al Qaeda's political, religious and terrorist agenda "for real" and not "just for show." Will the US accept the LIFG commander Belhadj's role as commander of Tripoli or take action to remove him? And what if its leaders are shown to be working closely with Al Qaeda in the Maghreb – AQIM?

2. How could the Obama administration subscribe to NATO placing British and French special forces at the forefront of the battle for the rebel conquest of Tripoli in direct violation of the UN Security Council confining NATO's intervention to air strikes - and only when they needed save civilian lives?

Our military experts stress that without those troops on the ground and NATO's constant aerial pounding of Qaddafi's forces, the rebels would never have taken the Libyan capital - or much else outside their home base of Benghazi.

The Libyan venture has therefore placed the United States in the anomalous position of opening the Libyan door to rebels allied with groups owning a strong al Qaeda background while at the same time fighting similar groups in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Yemen.

3. What message does the Libyan episode send al Qaeda and other Islamic extremist organizations? Might they not infer that the US and NATO will fight their battles against autocratic regimes in other countries?

4. Muammar Qaddafi while fighting for his life around Sirte was quick to pick up on the real balance of strength. He concluded that if it is permissible for the US, Britain and France to back forces aligned with Al Qaeda, he might profitably tread the same path.
He accordingly sent his son Saadi on Wednesday Aug. 31 to contact the LIFG Abd Al-Hakim Belhadj, the self-styled military governor of Tripoli, to propose on behalf of his father talks for ending the war in order to avoid further bloodshed.

Qaddafi sent another son, Saif al-Islam, with the opposite message to Al Arabya TV: The war goes on, he said, his father was fine and he has 20,000 armed fighters standing by in the city of Sirte ready to fight for him to the death.

It is important to note that Saadi bypassed the rebel NTC leaders in Benghazi and its Tripoli commanders and took his offer straight to the leader of al Qaeda's Libyan offshoot. The deposed Libyan ruler clearly understands that to pursue his threatened guerrilla war against the rebels and their foreign sponsors, he will have to play ball with al Qaeda elements, just as the West does.

Later Wednesday, British sources reported several undetonated bomb cars had been found in the capital, signifying the onset of Qaddafi's threatened guerrilla war.

[DurbanDude]

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Conspiracy theories are wild speculations and anti-Semitic racially biased political movements that mix their agendas with a "christian" fronting .... there is simply no truth in any of them

Now I see why you believe and post as you do on a number of subjects

You have been misled by those who uphold the brand of conspiracy theory that you suggest .... there are a number of them .... and I do understand them

LOL, I see some gross generalisations here. The whole thread is about your belief in a particular conspiracy theory and yet you seem to knock it? Human nature is power hungry, you believe in an Islamic conspiracy or plot, I believe in both a Western conspiracy and an Eastern conspiracy, they will end up at war with eachother.

You also showing that you don't even read my posts, because I am saying there is a pro-Semitic plot, and you say all conspiracy theories are anti-semitic. Your conspiracy theory is about an anti-semitic plot, my conspiracy theory is about a pro-semitic plot. I am pro-Jew and believe this will all result in blessing and repentance for Israel. There are specific prophecies still to be fulfilled regarding Israel.

[Visions]

Islam states that God has no son .... the most overt "anti-christ" movement on the earth [Revelation 13:11]

And here is the "anti-Semitic plot" [as you call it] recorded in and according to the scriptures of the Bible [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 36; 38; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-24; Revelation 12]

Stick to the scriptures and dump the sway of extra-biblical conspiracy theories

[quiet dove]

Islam states that God has no son .... the most overt "anti-christ" movement on the earth [Revelation 13:11]

There is one other lie that is in even greater opposition to God, that is the worship of self, the lie that humans can reach righteous... enlightenment ... a perfected state...a 'god hood'...by their own efforts. It is the worship of self.

Satan has started a many a lie out there, but what he wants is for God's creatures to defy Him, and the ultimate in defying is not to worship another god, but to claim oneself to be a god. That and the fact that Satan wants to be god, he isn't gonna share that spot even with All-h. He will present the lie in such a way that is looks like the best thing since sliced bread. Just as he deceived Eve with his supposed knowledge of a better way, he will deceive the masses, those who have refused the Truth.


I know it is all more involved than that but, in a nut shell....

[Visions]

Allah is a ficticious pagan "god" .... totally imaginary just like all pagan "gods" .... there is only one real creator God

So I would say that "Allah" is just a cover for Satan .... all false religions of men worship the devil in on way or another

[quiet dove]

Allah is a ficticious pagan "god" .... totally imaginary just like all pagan "gods" .... there is only one real creator God

No kidding...lol

So I would say that "Allah" is just a cover for Satan .... all false religions of men worship the devil in on way or another

The goal is not simply to worship one other than the true and living God. The goal is to unite men against their Creator. No other false system will do that as effectively as denying all gods, with the exception of the 'enlightened' self.

Will Isl-m be a problem, yea, probably. But Satan has already realized that folks don't change their beliefs on account of persecution. Even other religions than Christianity will not forsake their convictions in the face of death. So just as the white horse rides, he rides with the deception of peace and enlightenment, not war. He will seduce peacefully, as I said, like drawing flies to honey, then he will show his true colors, but only after he has built a substantial army of the deceived.

This is already happening, the purpose of Isl-m is more one of distraction, as the bigger lie is sneaking in right under the noses of most prominent religions. The can't we all just get alongism.....finding the 'path' to the higher self, the enlightened self....however someone chooses to do that, under whatever name they happen to get involved with. Isl-m is not infiltrating all religions, but is itself being infiltrated. I would agree it is being used for various reasons and in various ways, but it is not the religion of the Antichrist. It too will be broken down to fit the uniting of the world into one 'religion'.

[Visions]

One needs to understand that the Bible's prophetic visions are all focused upon Israel and the surrounding populations of the Middle East past, and at the time of the end of this present age .... this is evident to those who have spent time in the study and are not predisposed to various christian movements and related dogmas

I have witnessed to many Muslims and this is not an easy thing to do, but those few who have become believers in Jesus Christ all responded because of showing their position in the prophetic scriptures and the contrasts between the Bible and the Koran