Poll: Is Drinking wine a sin?

[CommanderRobey]

Scripture doesn't make reference to Jesus wearing Tzitzit, tying phylactories on His head and left arm, bar Mitzvah, his first sacrifice lamb at the Temple, His singing of Psalms on Shabbat, etc. etc. These things are a given in the culture he lived in.


Whatever.


We've yet to see the word that you are speakinig to. If you can not produce the Scripture to prohibits alchohol, and all we have is your man-made ordinance, you are aligning yourself with the spirit of pharisees, are you not?

The Scripture has been presented. Your consistent rejecting of it does not mean it was not presented.

Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. (Pr 23:31)

As I pointed out before, it does not say Look not upon the wine after you have had a glass or two. No, it says Look not upon the wine when it...

[CommanderRobey]

Yeah, the translators should have translated the Greek and Hebrew words for wine into Welches. What's wrong with them, didn't they have the council 21st century enlightened prohibitors of wine?

Nothing wrong with the translators at all. The error is within the hearts of the readers who do not understand the Scripture. But the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God, so I understand why they reject the truth concerning 'fruit of the vine' and 'Look not.'

[Desperaux]

I can't reply to the poll honestly, for to drink wine is not a sin to anyone but for those whom God has said it is.

Romans 8:23
We are allowed to do anything, but not everything is good for us to do. We are allowed to do anything, but not all things help us grow strong as Christians.

[Slug1]

Nothing wrong with the translators at all. The error is within the hearts of the readers who do not understand the Scripture. But the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God, so I understand why they reject the truth concerning 'fruit of the vine' and 'Look not.'

Then post all the scriptures that shows us your message.

[CommanderRobey]

A perfect example of the twisting of Scripture to justify drinking of alcohol...

But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. (Mt 26:29)

Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. (Mr 14:25)

After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. (1Co 11:25)

Notice in the above verses, the word 'wine' is nowhere used. As a matter of fact, the word 'wine' is not used in either chapter. But those who want to justify their consumption of alcohol change the truth of God into a lie. They put alcohol into a cup that had no alcohol.

Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. (Pr 23:31)

The instruction here is not to look upon wine when it is fermented. It does not say Look not upon the wine after you have had a glass or two.

Yet those who want to justify their own drinking, or someone else's drinking, will change the meaning of 'when it' to 'after you'.

[Slug1]

Look, your message is that wine has no alcohol and the scripture you just posted doesn't prove your message. Now, if wine didn't have alcohol and fruit of the vine was nothing but grape juice... then have you stopped drinking grape juice?

[CommanderRobey]

When you finally accept the fact that there was two different classes of wine in the Word of God (fermented and unfermented) get back to me. Until then, you will remain in denial of the truth concerning that which Jesus drank and that which He made.

[tango]

One of the biggest reason's people don't want to accept that Jesus did not make alcoholic wine, is that they then can't use Him as a scapecoat for drinking. Because Jesus made "alcoholic" wine (which He did not), it gives us the go ahaed to use alcohol and drink.

Huh?

There's no evidence that Jesus ate peanut butter sandwiches but that doesn't imply that I shouldn't be eating them. In the absence of Scriptural prohibition (or prohibition by extension, in the sense that Scripture doesn't explicitly tell me not to fool around with my secretary but that kind of thing is covered by "Thou shalt not commit adultery") then I am free to decide for myself whether to partake of something or not.

I see no Scriptural prohibition of alcohol that doesn't involve either lots of semantic word games, or misrepresentation of texts on drunkenness, or circular arguments where an assumption is made and then that same assumption is spat out of a dodgy logical process. Some people choose to drink alcohol and some choose not to. Where's the problem?

[Slug1]

When you finally accept the fact that there was two different classes of wine in the Word of God (fermented and unfermented) get back to me. Until then, you will remain in denial of the truth concerning that which Jesus drank and that which He made.

When you post the scriptures that show us that the wine that Jesus created and the wine that He drank is non-alcoholic... then we can be edified. Until then... you're just pushing a message based on your opinion.

[CommanderRobey]

Actually, it is you who is pushing a message based on opinion. My message is in complete agreement with the Word of God.

As soon as you awake to that reality, you will be edified.

[Slug1]

Actually, it is you who is pushing a message based on opinion. My message is in complete agreement with the Word of God.

As soon as you awake to that reality, you will be edified.

Are you gonna post the scriptures that will show the readers that the wine that Jesus created and/or consumed was non-alcoholic?

If you are not and/or don't plan to... then just be honest and tell us you will not post the supporting scriptures.

Otherwise, please post the scriptures.

The reality is what the scripture supports and scripture supports that wine IS alcoholic. Pretty much all the scripture posted in the thread proves this point and we're ALL still waiting for you to support your belief with scripture. Until the scripture is posted... it's only opinion.

[CommanderRobey]

I have already shown why the wine Jesus created could not have been alcoholic. You just can't handle the truth.

[Slug1]

I have already shown why the wine Jesus created could not have been alcoholic. You just can't handle the truth.

Which post then so I can read all the scriptures that you posted?

It's not a matter of handling the truth

It's a matter of what IS the truth!!!

[CommanderRobey]

You believe Christ manifested His glory by making a beverage that the Word of God declares is a mocker. That He created a beverage that bites like a serpent and stings like an adder; that beverage that is a poison to man's vital organs.

That is not the Christ of the Bible. It is not His character to give to man that which has the potential to destroy that man's life. Christ came that man might have life, the devil comes to destroy.

You want to serve the destroyer, go ahead. I'll serve Christ.

[Slug1]

You believe Christ manifested His glory by making a beverage that the Word of God declares is a mocker. That He created a beverage that bites like a serpent and stings like an adder.

That is not the Christ of the Bible. It is not His character to give to man that which has the potential to destroy that man's life. Christ came that man might have life, the devil comes to destroy.

You want to serve the destroyer, go ahead. I'll serve Christ.

can you at least point me to the post # that you posted all the scriptures in support of your belief?