Poll: Is Drinking wine a sin?

[tango]

To say Jesus drank an alcoholic beverage is to align oneself with the falsely accusing Pharisees of Jesus' day. Jesus was not accused of being a drunkard, He was accused of being a wine drinker!

And many still accuse Him of drinking wine today in order to justify their sin.

This is a classic circular argument. Even if we could accept that not one drop of alcohol passed the lips of Jesus during the entire time he walked this earth as a man (and all you've done so far is post one man's opinion and parrot it as if it were inerrant) that still wouldn't make it a sin for any of us to drink in moderation. I don't imagine Jesus drove a car, took a transatlantic flight aboard a 747 or rode up the side of a mountain in a cable car either but nobody claims those things are sinful.

[nimblewillsgrace]

I am through with this for now. You guys have it in your hearts to falsely accuse the Lord Jesus Christ in order to justify drinking alcohol. And no wonder...

The heart is deceitful above all others and desperately wicked.

I don't drink alcohol, but I disagree with you.

[Desperaux]

I am through with this for now. You guys have it in your hearts to falsely accuse the Lord Jesus Christ in order to justify drinking alcohol. And no wonder...

The heart is deceitful above all others and desperately wicked.

Ephesians 5:18
Do not get drunk with wine. That leads to wild living. Instead, be filled with the Holy Spirit.



What does this verse really say? It certainly doesn't say not to have wine. It merely says don't get drunk with it, or BE FILLED UP with it! Instead, be FILLED UP with Holy Spirit!

[Amos_with_goats]

This is a classic circular argument. Even if we could accept that not one drop of alcohol passed the lips of Jesus during the entire time he walked this earth as a man (and all you've done so far is post one man's opinion and parrot it as if it were inerrant) that still wouldn't make it a sin for any of us to drink in moderation. I don't imagine Jesus drove a car, took a transatlantic flight aboard a 747 or rode up the side of a mountain in a cable car either but nobody claims those things are sinful.

As you so often do, you have made the point quite effectively my friend. That Christ did not surf the net in His earthly ministry does not condemn us all for doing so either.....

[Slug1]

Seems to me that if the disciples didn't drink anything that contained alcohol... then when Peter and the rest of them poured out of the upper room in the POWER of the Holy Spirit, he'd instead INFORM those accusing them of being drunk that it can't be alcohol because people of God don't drink alcohol. Instead, all he did was ensure the accusers that drinking had not happened due to the early time period of the day.

[CommanderRobey]

And you, sir, lay your personal convictions on people as if you can proclaim sin for others. You cannot - Holy Spirit can.

The Bible proclaims their sin... they just don't want to hear or accept it.

[nimblewillsgrace]

The Bible proclaims their sin... they just don't want to hear or accept it.

You
never responded to the question about sex. Is sex a sin? Has it lead to pain and broken homes?

[keck553]

I said your accusing Jesus of drinking alcohol is Pharisee-like. That's what they did, you know.

No, it's not. .

[keck553]

The Bible proclaims their sin... they just don't want to hear or accept it.

yes, the Bible does proclaim my sin. Not for drinking wine though

[tango]

The Bible proclaims their sin... they just don't want to hear or accept it.

It's easy to just make a blanket statement, completely fail to back it up other than by endlessly repeating one man's opinion of what the Bible means, and then fall back on generic claims that everyone who disagrees with you is a Pharisee and a sinner. Much harder to actually, you know, come up with some Scripture that actually says what you'd like it to say.

[Johnny]

You
never responded to the question about sex. Is sex a sin? Has it lead to pain and broken homes?

God made it for marriage to be enjoyed within. It is something pure and clean that God created. God did not made prostitutes or the Playboy magazine. Man made it in it's own sinfull nature. God made pure grape juice, but man made alcohol. If this is the way that you guys reason, then God must also get the blame for cigarettes, as he made tabacco plant, or cocain and drugs as he made the plant that are used to make it. If you reason that He made and used alcohol, then I guess He also smoked. Next thing you will argue that He maight have had a child with Mary Magedalene......as are preached nowadays?

Everything God made was good.....but man ruined it!

Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

Genesis 6:5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."

Jesus was without sin. What really caught my eye in these versus and it might not have the same meaning, is that God "repented" in making man.....as if He "sinned" in doing so! Amazing isn't it.

[Boo]

The Bible proclaims their sin... they just don't want to hear or accept it.

Speaking of not wanting to hear or accept........

You might find some quiet time in prayer and some reflecting on your responses and accusations may be in order, brother.

I sure hope that you don't really believe that all of us are sinful ignorant people while you are the only Godly person in this thread.

[nimblewillsgrace]

God made it for marriage to be enjoyed within. It is something pure and clean that God created. God did not made prostitutes or the Playboy magazine. Man made it in it's own sinfull nature. God made pure grape juice, but man made alcohol. If this is the way that you guys reason, then God must also get the blame for cigarettes, as he made tabacco plant, or cocain and drugs as he made the plant that are used to make it. If you reason that He made and used alcohol, then I guess He also smoked. Next thing you will argue that He maight have had a child with Mary Magedalene......as are preached nowadays?

Everything God made was good.....but man ruined it!



Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

Genesis 6:5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."

Jesus was without sin. What really caught my eye in these versus and it might not have the same meaning, is that God "repented" in making man.....as if He "sinned" in doing so! Amazing isn't it.

Do you think fermentation is a natural process or is it something that man came up with on his own?

[Johnny]

Do you think fermentation is a natural process or is it something that man came up with on his own?

Fermentation in food processing typically is the conversion of carbohydrates to alcohols and carbon dioxide or organic acids using yeasts, bacteria, or a combination thereof, under anaerobic conditions. A more restricted definition of fermentation is the chemical conversion of sugars into ethanol. The science of fermentation is known as zymurgy.

Fermentation usually implies that the action of microorganisms is desirable, and the process is used to produce alcoholic beverages such as wine, beer, and cider. Fermentation is also employed in the leavening of bread, and for preservation techniques to create lactic acid in sour foods such as sauerkraut, dry sausages, kimchi and yogurt, or vinegar (acetic acid) for use in pickling foods.

See also: History of wine and History of beer

Natural fermentation precedes human history. Since ancient times, however, humans have been controlling the fermentation process. The earliest evidence of winemaking dates from eight thousand years ago, in Georgia, in the Caucasus area.[1] Seven-thousand-year-old jars containing the remains of wine have been excavated in the Zagros Mountains in Iran, which are now on display at the University of Pennsylvania.[2] There is strong evidence that people were fermenting beverages in Babylon circa 5000 BC,[3] ancient Egypt circa 3150 BC,[4] pre-Hispanic Mexico circa 2000 BC,[3] and Sudan circa 1500 BC.[5] There is also evidence of leavened bread in ancient Egypt circa 1500 BC[6] and of milk fermentation in Babylon circa 3000 BC.

French chemist Louis Pasteur was the first known zymologist, when in 1856 he connected yeast to fermentation. Pasteur originally defined fermentation as "respiration without air". Pasteur performed careful research and concluded;

"I am of the opinion that alcoholic fermentation never occurs without simultaneous organization, development and multiplication of cells.... If asked, in what consists the chemical act whereby the sugar is decomposed ... I am completely ignorant of it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation_(food)

[John 8:32]

God made it for marriage to be enjoyed within. It is something pure and clean that God created. God did not made prostitutes or the Playboy magazine. Man made it in it's own sinfull nature. God made pure grape juice, but man made alcohol. If this is the way that you guys reason, then God must also get the blame for cigarettes, as he made tabacco plant, or cocain and drugs as he made the plant that are used to make it. If you reason that He made and used alcohol, then I guess He also smoked. Next thing you will argue that He maight have had a child with Mary Magedalene......as are preached nowadays?

Everything God made was good.....but man ruined it!


Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

Genesis 6:5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."

Jesus was without sin. What really caught my eye in these versus and it might not have the same meaning, is that God "repented" in making man.....as if He "sinned" in doing so! Amazing isn't it.

repented...

H5162
נחם
nâcham
naw-kham'
A primitive root; properly to sigh, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry, that is, (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort (self), ease [one’s self], repent (-er, -ing, self).

Not speaking of sin here.

Man did not ruin it. God planned this before ever a man was made...

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

You're limiting a limitless God when you ascribe the ability of a puny, mortal man to ruin God's plan.