Poll: Is Drinking wine a sin?

[keck553]

Pretty much...but I'd add this:

Alchohol is contrary to the Spirit in any quantity...IF it is being used to medicate. If we say "I don't get drunk, but I do drink a few beers at night", that's OK. But...if we "drink a few beers" because we are stressed or worried and we use the alchohol to dull our minds, that's a problem, I would say.

I drink beer and wine in moderation, but lately it's been a source of conviction for me by the Spirit. It's just very easy to drink too much, if you're a casual drinker. One night, I might have two glasses of wine and it be no big deal. The next night, I might be hanging with my wife and, the next thing I know, I've got a pretty good buzz. I know to cut it off right there, and people may think "Big deal". But...what about my plans for Bible reading that night? My prayer time? I'm certainly not coming before the Lord with a wine buzz going. LOL.

I guess I'd just say...alchohol isn't a sin in and of itself or anything. It's just kind of disruptive to a good, true Walk with Christ.

I'll keep that in mind when I get to Messiah's wedding feast and He serves me the good wine as He did in Cana.

[RollTide21]

I'll keep that in mind when I get to Messiah's wedding feast and He serves me the good wine as He did in Cana.

By all means...get plastered if you think it's OK.

[keck553]

By all means...get plastered if you think it's OK.

Ahem. Not my point. If Jesus makes wine then wine is not disruptive in our walk with God. In fact God commands strong drink on at least one occasion every year. Why would God do that if it is 'disruptive?'

[John 8:32]

Everybody knows the Greek for wine is oinos which has to be fermemted by definition. Why would Christ drink oinos and instruct his followers to? Paul instructed Timothy to drink a little wine. Drunkeness (and uncontrolled desire - covetousness) is the sin. It is mentioned quite often in conjunction with gluttony. Is total abstinence from food the answer to that one?

[RollTide21]

Ahem. Not my point. If Jesus makes wine then wine is not disruptive in our walk with God. In fact God commands strong drink on at least one occasion every year. Why would God do that if it is 'disruptive?'

I know. That was tounge in cheek and came out wrong.

Deuteronomy 14 says to buy alchohol for the celebration. It doesn't say to get hammered on it at said celebration. Even if it did specifically say that we should abuse alchohol once a year (LOL), that is a completely different circumstance than using alchohol as a crutch in our daily lives and walk with Christ. That is how it can be disruptive.

God using wine or other alchohol for various purposes throughout the Bible doesn't mean that He is OK with its abuse. Drunkenness is heavily frowned upon in Scripture, no?

[keck553]

I've heard from those familiar with wineries here in CA that the fermentation process used today is totally different from the natural fermentation process done in the old days. Supposedly, the new process gives wines and beer an addictive property that isn't found with natural fermentation. Can't say that's a fact but people that explained that to me should know well.

This sounds like yet another excuse for bad choices and poor behaviour.

[keck553]

I know. That was tounge in cheek and came out wrong.

Deuteronomy 14 says to buy alchohol for the celebration. It doesn't say to get hammered on it at said celebration. Even if it did specifically say that we should abuse alchohol once a year (LOL), that is a completely different circumstance than using alchohol as a crutch in our daily lives and walk with Christ. That is how it can be disruptive.

God using wine or other alchohol for various purposes throughout the Bible doesn't mean that He is OK with its abuse. Drunkenness is heavily frowned upon in Scripture, no?

Abuse of anything is sin.

[Bandit]

I could agree with none of the options. There should have been an option that drinking wine is sometimes a sin.

[John 8:32]

I could agree with none of the options. There should have been an option that drinking wine is sometimes a sin.

To excess, or sometimes in great moderation...

Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

[Bandit]

To excess, or sometimes in great moderation...

Rom 14:15-23 ...

Yes, you got my thoughts exactly.

[nimblewillsgrace]

I put the poll up because we wondered whether most would say that wine was a sin. None have, but few have responded. What do you folks think it says about how people on this board feel about wine drinking being a sin?

[keck553]

I don't believe it has anything to do with the way anyone feels. I think it indicates people study thier BIbles and make proper discernments.

[Bandit]

I put the poll up because we wondered whether most would say that wine was a sin. None have, but few have responded. What do you folks think it says about how people on this board feel about wine drinking being a sin?

I think the answer is that drinking wine is sometimes a sin, just as eating is sometimes a sin. I'm not sure what more you are looking for.

[nimblewillsgrace]

I think the answer is that drinking wine is sometimes a sin, just as eating is sometimes a sin. I'm not sure what more you are looking for.

That's all!........................

[tango]

I put the poll up because we wondered whether most would say that wine was a sin. None have, but few have responded. What do you folks think it says about how people on this board feel about wine drinking being a sin?

I've yet to encounter any argument based on Scripture that says drinking wine is a sin, that doesn't require a huge amount of creative interpretation or circular reasoning.

If you start with the assumption that alcohol is bad then Scripture's command to "abstain from every form of evil" clearly includes the evil of alcohol. But take away the initial assumption and the reasoning collapses.

Obviously some people may choose not to drink alcohol for a variety of reasons and that's a perfectly valid decision for them to make for themselves. It's just a huge leap from there to expect everybody else to abstain as well.