Poll: Is Drinking wine a sin?

[Johnny]

You're limiting a limitless God when you ascribe the ability of a puny, mortal man to ruin God's plan.

I'm not. God can indeed create and do anything. Remember everything was well before satan was cast out of heaven and eversince then he tried to bring down humankind. Maybe he must get the blame for the ability of man to create alcohol and not Jesus?

[keck553]

I'm not. God can indeed create and do anything. Remember everything was well before satan was cast out of heaven and eversince then he tried to bring down humankind. Maybe he must get the blame for the ability of man to create alcohol and not Jesus?

satan's only power of creation is to counterfeit it. God created wine.

[Slug1]

satan's only power of creation is to counterfeit it. God created wine.

Actually its more about "tempting" people, including Christians, to abuse wine.

Then when people bite that temptation and drink to get drunk... then we have a bunch of Christians saying wine is bad, Jesus never drank alcoholic wine, etc, etc, etc.

satan is in the corner...... LAUGHING at them as they deny what God has provided and he (satan) has tempted many to simply, ABUSE!

Fingers are pointed at everyone, everything as the fault and NO fingers are EVER pointed at who's in the corner giggling.

Anyone ever wonder WHY we are told in the Bible that abuse of alcohol is "the" sin???

[Johnny]

I think someone mentioned sex somewhere trying to justify drinking as God made sex and there is also danger in using it wrongly as is using alcoholic wine wrongly?
As I said God made sex for marriage ONLY and this is how strong He feels about us missusing it.

Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

So......God feels so strong about this that He says if you just think about it outside of marriage......you are guilty of fornication and on your way to hell! Strong warning isn't it?

As i said over and over again that Jesus did not make ANY alcoholic wine or drank it, we are warned in Proverbs not to even LOOK at it if it shines red in a glass as alcoholic wine does and then He also says why!

Proverbs 23:31 "Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Proverbs 23:32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
Proverbs 23:33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things."

As we see in the study of John McAthur the different meanings of the word "wine" in the Bible have different meanings, and used in this sentence is "yayin", containing alcohol.

H3196
יין
yayin
yah'-yin
From an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: - banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber].

The wine that Jesus made was "oinos", not containg alcohol.

G3631
οἶνος
oinos
oy'-nos
A primary word (or perhaps of Hebrew origin
"wine" (literally or figuratively): - wine.

I guess God is serious about both....sex and alcoholic wine. If you can't even THINK of a women to desire her, then you also can't even LOOK at alcoholic wine to drink it.

[Desperaux]

'oinos' is a general term for wine, probably both alcohol-free and fermented. The term is used throughout the NT and used for wine---period. The word is used in Ephesians 5:18, warning us not to use it in excess, and it is used as the word for the wine that John the Baptist was to forsake, which was alcoholic, according to Luke 1:15...

for he will be great in the eyes of the Lord. He must never touch wine or other alcoholic drinks. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even before his birth.

[Johnny]

'oinos' is a general term for wine, probably both alcohol-free and fermented. The term is used throughout the NT and used for wine---period. The word is used in Ephesians 5:18, warning us not to use it in excess, and it is used as the word for the wine that John the Baptist was to forsake, which was alcoholic, according to Luke 1:15...

for he will be great in the eyes of the Lord. He must never touch wine or other alcoholic drinks. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even before his birth.

I give up. Got others things to attend to that is more important like there are 7 days left until the UN takes up creating a Palestinian state and the coming Psalm 83 war.

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[Boo]

'oinos' is a general term for wine, probably both alcohol-free and fermented. The term is used throughout the NT and used for wine---period. The word is used in Ephesians 5:18, warning us not to use it in excess, and it is used as the word for the wine that John the Baptist was to forsake, which was alcoholic, according to Luke 1:15...

for he will be great in the eyes of the Lord. He must never touch wine or other alcoholic drinks. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even before his birth.

Got your point. I really don't think I am going to ignore Paul's teachings in Roman's 14 based on the instructions given for one man, though.

[John 8:32]

Gluttony is a sin, is the cure for gluttony complete abstinence from food? The cure for gluttony is learning moderation. Same principle.

[keck553]

Actually its more about "tempting" people, including Christians, to abuse wine.

Then when people bite that temptation and drink to get drunk... then we have a bunch of Christians saying wine is bad, Jesus never drank alcoholic wine, etc, etc, etc.

satan is in the corner...... LAUGHING at them as they deny what God has provided and he (satan) has tempted many to simply, ABUSE!

Fingers are pointed at everyone, everything as the fault and NO fingers are EVER pointed at who's in the corner giggling.

Anyone ever wonder WHY we are told in the Bible that abuse of alcohol is "the" sin???

"Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come."

Funny you mentioned that because another poster insists that God Himself does just what Jesus condemns above.

[keck553]

'oinos' is a general term for wine, probably both alcohol-free and fermented. The term is used throughout the NT and used for wine---period. The word is used in Ephesians 5:18, warning us not to use it in excess, and it is used as the word for the wine that John the Baptist was to forsake, which was alcoholic, according to Luke 1:15...

for he will be great in the eyes of the Lord. He must never touch wine or other alcoholic drinks. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even before his birth.

There is absolutely no Biblical evidence of two types of wine. This is a modern revisionist view.

[keck553]

Gluttony is a sin, is the cure for gluttony complete abstinence from food? The cure for gluttony is learning moderation. Same principle.

Don't you know that alcholism is now an official "disease" in this country?

Another excuse for sin, poor choices and another stumbling block for job growth.

[Desperaux]

There is absolutely no Biblical evidence of two types of wine. This is a modern revisionist view.

That's right, there is no evidence of non-alcoholic wine. There are a few words used in scripture to denote 'wine', and none of them suggest simply the juice. They are simply words used generally for 'wine'.

[Desperaux]

Got your point. I really don't think I am going to ignore Paul's teachings in Roman's 14 based on the instructions given for one man, though.

What was my point? I was offering correction to another poster.

As for Romans 14...that is why I do not imbibe.

[keck553]

That's right, there is no evidence of non-alcoholic wine. There are a few words used in scripture to denote 'wine', and none of them suggest simply the juice. They are simply words used generally for 'wine'.

This is where historical, traditional and archeological information comes into play.

It's kinda difficult to to understand what macaroni is in terms of the revelolutionary war era unless one understands the culture first.

[Desperaux]

This is where historical, traditional and archeological information comes into play.

It's kinda difficult to to understand what macaroni is in terms of the revelolutionary war era unless one understands the culture first.

Why confuse matters? Simply investigate each word used for wine in both testaments and you will see that what many play is a word game.