What is God? {Moved from BC}

[ImAStoner]

What do you mean that my mind makes me believe things?

So you admit that your information comes from books. And so you admit that it is acceptable to learn things from trustworthy people who write knowledge down in books. Yes?

Then please list, by name, all the laws of physics which prove evolution?

As far as I know(for now) there is no general law that exactly "proves" evolution. But everything in world is subject to change, so there's proof how animals cam change over time. Why you so ignorant bro?

[BroRog]

As far as I know(for now) there is no general law that exactly "proves" evolution. But everything in world is subject to change, so there's proof how animals cam change over time. Why you so ignorant bro?

You didn't answer my question. We are talking about epistemology, the study of how we come to knowledge, because you want to say that my beliefs are untrue because I got them out of an ancient text. You have yet to defend your assertion that the truth of a statement is proportional to when it was spoken.

[ImAStoner]

What do you mean that my mind makes me believe things?

So you admit that your information comes from books. And so you admit that it is acceptable to learn things from trustworthy people who write knowledge down in books. Yes?

You didn't answer my question. We are talking about epistemology, the study of how we come to knowledge, because you want to say that my beliefs are untrue because I got them out of an ancient text. You have yet to defend your assertion that the truth of a statement is proportional to when it was spoken.

Although I've talked about how millions of humans have had thousands of other religions thousands of years ago... You regard their beliefs as bull****, so these ancient writings are considered bull to you all because it was written long ago, and you all were raised in a certain way of life. But you are all so ignorant you don't see that your religion is the same exact thing. THERE IS NO PHYSICAL PROOF OF YOUR GOD, MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLES GODS, OR ANY OTHER RELIGION. You guys want physical proof of my beliefs, and yet can not produce proof yourselfs. And you all are apparently stupid because you continue to refuse the idea that god is no more than idea. Their is physical, and psychological evidence showing how it's possible for god to be no more than your imagination.

[Desperaux]

Although I've talked about how millions of humans have had thousands of other religions thousands of years ago... You regard their beliefs as bull****, but you are all so ignorant you don't see that your religion is the same exact thing. THERE IS NO PHYSICAL PROOF OF YOUR GOD, MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLES GODS, OR ANY OTHER RELIGION. You guys want physical proof of my beliefs, and yet can not produce proof yourselfs. And you all are apparently stupid because you continue to refuse the idea that god is no more than idea. Their is physical, and psychological evidence showing how it's possible for god to be no more than your imagination.

I do not follow any religion. I have a relationship withe the living God, my Father, Jehovah, through His son, Jesus Christ, who came to make a way for us all to know God intimately. Jesus is the key.

God is not any man's idea, but we---and you---are a solid representation of His thoughtful ideas. No one's imagination is as good as you think! God is too AWESOME for any despicable human being to have thought Him up!

[IMINXTC]

And you all are apparently stupid because you continue to refuse the idea that god is no more than idea. Their is physical, and psychological evidence showing how it's possible for god to be no more than your imagination.

God is a spirit. Neither the believer nor the unbeliever can prove or disprove the existence of God, through mere logic or systematic reasoning. Though some think they can.

I've enjoyed your thread here, for the most part, except when you insult people who have taken their time to thoughtfully respond to you.

But I remember being seventeen - by that time I had already scoured history's libraries of scholastic theologies, philosophy, Darwin, De Chardin etc (I, regrettably, was also a stoner), frantically searching for answers to the phenomenon of existence and it's meaning. Like yesterday, it seems. But what I mean to say is that I can identify.

You might have proven some of your views here, views that have no bearing on the existence or non-existence of God, and, certainly, nothing unique.

Their is physical, and psychological evidence showing how it's possible for god to be no more than your imagination.

Proves nothing about the existence or non-existence of God in all His revealed attributes. And cannot disprove the genuine experiences of fellowship with God. Only proves that some are led by the imagination.
And neither physical or, especially, psychological are the final infallible tests for any supposition that involves the Creator.

To be frank, Jesus Christ rose from the dead and appeared to many, including almost 500 people at one time. That is the historical event that changed the world, and it had been prophesied before-hand. This is where one needs to apply all that gifted savvy, not just to the abstract realm of what you or I decide is the standard of proof or evidence of anything. (people don't rise from the dead, that's logically, physically impossible).

Consider yourself among friends here, who enjoy talking with you about the faith. You might be surprised what caring, giving people who would do almost anything for you or who have been in your circumstances are here.

No, God will remain illusive and undetectable to the unbelieving heart. But if you consider just what it is that God presents to the equation of life, I might (I would) strongly suggest that you attempt to find out where He can be found, if indeed, He can...

Never say, "never."

Peace,
Stephen

[BroRog]

Although I've talked about how millions of humans have had thousands of other religions thousands of years ago... You regard their beliefs as bull****, so these ancient writings are considered bull to you all because it was written long ago, and you all were raised in a certain way of life. But you are all so ignorant you don't see that your religion is the same exact thing. THERE IS NO PHYSICAL PROOF OF YOUR GOD, MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLES GODS, OR ANY OTHER RELIGION. You guys want physical proof of my beliefs, and yet can not produce proof yourselfs. And you all are apparently stupid because you continue to refuse the idea that god is no more than idea. Their is physical, and psychological evidence showing how it's possible for god to be no more than your imagination.

There is physical proof of the creator. Why do you say there are laws that govern the universe but do not acknowledge the law giver?

[watchinginawe]

I dare you to find a flaw in my logic, try to ask a question not answered by a logical, down to earth, explination.

Hey Stoner, it looks like you have moved on, but maybe you'll be checking back. I think we all have tried to be helpful in pointing out the flaw. You came here claiming to be a man of proof, but I think it has been shown that you strongly believe in what you believe without the kind of proof you expected Christians to have of God. Where you are currently is a committed believer in something (there is something in which you strongly believe) which would require a complete proof to the contrary to change your mind. Why do you believe in that "something"? I think we have established that you didn't come to your current beliefs by "complete proof", but how is it you did come to it?

You all act as if you have not even the slightest understanding of how the univese functions, have none of you been too school?

There it is. Your education, probably not intentionally, has determined for you what can be believed to be true in regards to how and why you find yourself in existence. This was done without proof.

You seem very intelligent for a seventeen year old. At that age, that was my "encyclopedia" phase. Reading encyclopedias for all I could get. We didn't have an internet back then, or cable TV with all the content today. But you know, the encyclopedias from 40 or so years ago are full of errors about how we think things work. I didn't form a strong belief in what the content of the encylopedias were, but rather my strong belief was in what kind of explanation might be true or not. I didn't choose that, it just got there somehow as a result of my education.

You made a good point about hynoptism and how the mind is subject to powerful suggestions. What makes you sure that you have not been likewise affected? That is one of the reasons why I think it is important for you to connect with "why" you believe what you believe. You have never even seemed to acknowledge my question. It is as if the question doesn't register in your mind because you feel so very strongly that you have apprehended the truth by proof. But you haven't got the proof and that isn't how you apprehended the truth and your mind just seems able to leave my question unaddressed.

Or have you gone but choosen to remain ignorant because you choose God over thinking about other explinations for events unexplainable by you.

Think freedom here. Do you have the freedeom AT THIS TIME to choose what you believe? No, that seems already done, already chemically programmed as you would say. Done deal. It will take a miracle for that to change. Yep, a real miracle. As IMINXTC offered, at least carry forward into your life that there are some who have "changed their mind" or "had their mind changed"; or whatever phrase works here.