God is not any man's idea, but we---and you---are a solid representation of His thoughtful ideas. No one's imagination is as good as you think! God is too AWESOME for any despicable human being to have thought Him up!
God is a spirit. Neither the believer nor the unbeliever can prove or disprove the existence of God, through mere logic or systematic reasoning. Though some think they can.
I've enjoyed your thread here, for the most part, except when you insult people who have taken their time to thoughtfully respond to you.
But I remember being seventeen - by that time I had already scoured history's libraries of scholastic theologies, philosophy, Darwin, De Chardin etc (I, regrettably, was also a stoner), frantically searching for answers to the phenomenon of existence and it's meaning. Like yesterday, it seems. But what I mean to say is that I can identify.
You might have proven some of your views here, views that have no bearing on the existence or non-existence of God, and, certainly, nothing unique.
And neither physical or, especially, psychological are the final infallible tests for any supposition that involves the Creator.
To be frank, Jesus Christ rose from the dead and appeared to many, including almost 500 people at one time. That is the historical event that changed the world, and it had been prophesied before-hand. This is where one needs to apply all that gifted savvy, not just to the abstract realm of what you or I decide is the standard of proof or evidence of anything. (people don't rise from the dead, that's logically, physically impossible).
Consider yourself among friends here, who enjoy talking with you about the faith. You might be surprised what caring, giving people who would do almost anything for you or who have been in your circumstances are here.
No, God will remain illusive and undetectable to the unbelieving heart. But if you consider just what it is that God presents to the equation of life, I might (I would) strongly suggest that you attempt to find out where He can be found, if indeed, He can...
Never say, "never."
Last edited by IMINXTC; Sep 21st 2011 at 02:17 AM. Reason: sp
Hey Stoner, it looks like you have moved on, but maybe you'll be checking back. I think we all have tried to be helpful in pointing out the flaw. You came here claiming to be a man of proof, but I think it has been shown that you strongly believe in what you believe without the kind of proof you expected Christians to have of God. Where you are currently is a committed believer in something (there is something in which you strongly believe) which would require a complete proof to the contrary to change your mind. Why do you believe in that "something"? I think we have established that you didn't come to your current beliefs by "complete proof", but how is it you did come to it?Originally Posted by ImAStoner
There it is. Your education, probably not intentionally, has determined for you what can be believed to be true in regards to how and why you find yourself in existence. This was done without proof.Originally Posted by Stoner
You seem very intelligent for a seventeen year old. At that age, that was my "encyclopedia" phase. Reading encyclopedias for all I could get. We didn't have an internet back then, or cable TV with all the content today. But you know, the encyclopedias from 40 or so years ago are full of errors about how we think things work. I didn't form a strong belief in what the content of the encylopedias were, but rather my strong belief was in what kind of explanation might be true or not. I didn't choose that, it just got there somehow as a result of my education.
You made a good point about hynoptism and how the mind is subject to powerful suggestions. What makes you sure that you have not been likewise affected? That is one of the reasons why I think it is important for you to connect with "why" you believe what you believe. You have never even seemed to acknowledge my question. It is as if the question doesn't register in your mind because you feel so very strongly that you have apprehended the truth by proof. But you haven't got the proof and that isn't how you apprehended the truth and your mind just seems able to leave my question unaddressed.
Think freedom here. Do you have the freedeom AT THIS TIME to choose what you believe? No, that seems already done, already chemically programmed as you would say. Done deal. It will take a miracle for that to change. Yep, a real miracle. As IMINXTC offered, at least carry forward into your life that there are some who have "changed their mind" or "had their mind changed"; or whatever phrase works here.Originally Posted by Stoner
I Samuel 3:10 And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth.
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