What are you doing to prepare for the Tribulation?

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

I personally have been praying about this for quite some time. I think after I understood the twelve virgins parable it all kind of came to me that there will be a huge outcry among the Christian community, and this is a huge tragedy for me. I don’t want to see a committed person to Jesus fall into a huge paradox. I have stayed up night after night going through the obstacles one would face under the tribulation period. I will just say that there are just too many issues to prepare for. Think about it, you have property taxes, limited life on food, and fuel. Also think of those who need medical attention and lifesaving drugs. The list goes on and on. There is no easy solution. I am sure the Lord has some plan for us. He did say that there will be 100,000 seals for his people. Maybe he will give the head of household a seal where they could buy for a family to support them in their time of need. It may be that after the rapture those head of households are to just turn themselves into police for interrogation and whatever punishment they see fit. I believe that I will just turn myself in the beginning and give my testimony to the guards and let them judge me as they see fit. I am going to tell them that I love the lord with all my heart, and allow the Holy Spirit to speak through me. This is all I can do.

Though unafraid and unashamed, many early martyrs evaded capture by whatever means necessary for a time. Polycarp did. The Apostle Peter did. No need to stick one's own head in the guillotine.

[tango]

If you are a non-Dispensationalist, I could consider that. If you're a Dispy, there would be little point. I certainly trust your consistent and impeccable character, so I mean nothing personal by anything I've said.

I'm not sure what you'd consider me to be honest. I tend to look at individual viewpoints and structure my own rather than necessarily aligning with anything with a neat label on it. I guess I don't like little boxes and pigeonholes.

Partly, yes. But I'm speaking of real estate holdings and all facilities and equipment. Most commerce will be unnecessary with the provisions that have been made. There is a way to "straddle" the coming beast system to conduct commerce without individuals doing so; but it must have been fully implemented prior to inception of initial phases of transition to the beast system (as I have done).

This kind of thing makes me consider the difference between an individual and a corporation and the idea that a corporation can still conduct commerce because it doesn't have a physical body and therefore cannot take the mark of the beast. That said if there is a single worldwide government it seems it could easily enough regulate a corporation out of existence, freeze the corporate assets etc. If you've set up a stockpile of cash that fails the moment the currency changes; if you've got stockpiles of silver and gold that fails the moment they are declared unlawful.

In the US, all real estate and other assets are immediately seizable because of usurped citizenship status. It's quite lengthy to explain, and most either don't care or dismiss it, or both. All preparation on any scale would be useless without structuring all assets as discreet and unencumberable.

I'm usually interested in see the legal ways the government might look to stitch me up.

[Watchmen 4 Christ]

Pretty close to how I perceive it. Well, except for this --- after the Second Resurrection, there is no more chance for redemption. Men can be redeemed while alive, not postmortem....

question then brother? How was it that Christ died and went into hades and brought back with Him those who believed Him when they were dead and in spirit?

[Watchmen 4 Christ]

I am one who believes I serve the very same God that the 3 Hebrew boys served! And if he can walk around in a fiery furnace-- heated 7 times hotter than normal!--with them, then he is still able to keep me!

He proved faithful to Noah when the whole world and every person in it perished!

He sent two angels who actually took Lot by the hand, along with his wife, 3 sons and their wives, and pulled them out of Sodom just before the fire and brimstone fell and destroyed them all!

God is still God, and why should I fear? Now, none of these people were taken out of the world. Nope! They were here...during all these events!

The 3 Hebrew boys told that old king, "Our God is ABLE to deliver us, but even if he does not...still we will serve him!"

After throwing those guys into the fire anyway, that old king looked down, into that blazing furnace and he said:
"Didn't we throw 3 men into that fire?"

All those around him answered,
"Yes King. We threw 3 men in there."

But that old king screamed... and said, "Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Now, I don't have any idea how that old king knew what the son of God looked like, but he sure saw him. Walking around in that fire, with those 3 Hebrews who refused to bow to an idol made of gold!

THAT'S the God I serve!

AMEN OUT LOUD! lol Christians had better study this book cause there's a test coming. the tester is satan. the book is the word. some will say there will be peace, don't worry we're gonna fly away. in timothy it mentions those that wrongly say peace, and God has strong words against it in Eze 13. true Christians are preparing by reading and studying the word, preparing ourselves to die, we know the antiChrist is coming to deceive millions in a fake rapture, a fake false coming disguised as Christ. many will believe the lie and fall away. Many are called few are chosen. when they take us up and betray us , beat us and kill us we can laugh in their faces because what's a little death compared to the spirit resurrecting to Christ? all we can do is warn people, let them know that satan has entered the church and has twisted the coming of Christ by adding a little rapture in the mix. funny the words "at any time" is how they describe the coming of Christ......which is the same phrase satan added to the word when he was trying to tempt Christ.

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

I'm not sure what you'd consider me to be honest. I tend to look at individual viewpoints and structure my own rather than necessarily aligning with anything with a neat label on it. I guess I don't like little boxes and pigeonholes.

Personally, I think that's much more good than bad. Labels are appropriate shorthand to expedite initial understanding, but should never condense and dictate the truth. The Christian faith should be much more substantial than each individual going down a list of either-or dichotomies and check boxes of doctrinal labels.

My point was, if you see modern Israel as God's chosen people in a separate still-unfulfilled covenant, there's not much use in me outlining the source and agenda of the ushering in of the Eschaton. Apart from labels, that's what I'm referring to.

This kind of thing makes me consider the difference between an individual and a corporation and the idea that a corporation can still conduct commerce because it doesn't have a physical body and therefore cannot take the mark of the beast. That said if there is a single worldwide government it seems it could easily enough regulate a corporation out of existence, freeze the corporate assets etc. If you've set up a stockpile of cash that fails the moment the currency changes; if you've got stockpiles of silver and gold that fails the moment they are declared unlawful.

In the US, all living humans ARE dead corporate entities, legally speaking. There is ONE way to sidestep all the above; but one of the keys is eliminating the need for commerce to survive. That means no need for monetary exchange for food, fuel, and any other essentials. That's why forsight would include buying a textile mill ten years ago to produce a substantial surplus of all types of clothing. Natural gas wells with a small refinery.

I'm not talking about Rufus and Imogene roughin' it with a backpack, a tent, a bowie knife, and some MREs while hiking up-river, as I hope you can tell.

I'm usually interested in see the legal ways the government might look to stitch me up.

I'm not sure how some of this translates to the UK. The US has been groomed to make a seamless transition in specific ways. The various means and methods will differ somewhat internationally. Same agenda, though.

Maybe scapegoat Islam isn't the Boogeyman.

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

AMEN OUT LOUD! lol Christians had better study this book cause there's a test coming. the tester is satan. the book is the word. some will say there will be peace, don't worry we're gonna fly away. in timothy it mentions those that wrongly say peace, and God has strong words against it in Eze 13. true Christians are preparing by reading and studying the word, preparing ourselves to die, we know the antiChrist is coming to deceive millions in a fake rapture, a fake false coming disguised as Christ. many will believe the lie and fall away. Many are called few are chosen. when they take us up and betray us , beat us and kill us we can laugh in their faces because what's a little death compared to the spirit resurrecting to Christ? all we can do is warn people, let them know that satan has entered the church and has twisted the coming of Christ by adding a little rapture in the mix. funny the words "at any time" is how they describe the coming of Christ......which is the same phrase satan added to the word when he was trying to tempt Christ.

All true and well said.

[Gadgeteer]

question then brother? How was it that Christ died and went into hades and brought back with Him those who believed Him when they were dead and in spirit?

What Bible reference?

[Gadgeteer]

Several thousand on-site. About 40,000 at extended sites. Provisions around the country for over 200,000. I'm hoping this doesn't all turn to criticism of some sort by others.

You indicate that you live in Illinois; how will you travel to the "remote site" when everything falls apart?

Mormons have created retreats of this sort. The guy I worked with who has an above-ground retreat (with water-powered generator) is a Mormon, though non-practicing.

The exact agenda and source of the coming persecution, which is already well underway. It's not what anybody seems to think it is, and few want to hear anything beyond what they think... just like various doctrines.

Also, the only way to shield assets and retain financial resources from seizure.

I would also like to know about your documentation, if you're willing to PM.

All true, yes, and much more.

Rev. 7:14

I think one of the things I'm most angry about in American History, is the "Federal Reserve Act" of 1913. It was snuck through in the dark of night, during a Christmas recess, the same as all liberal garbage nowadays. Wilson had second thoughts after signing it, reportedly saying: "You know, I think I just destroyed my country".

The Federal Reserve is not a government agency; it's a group of private banks that have been running the country ever since. In 1913 our national debt was ZERO. Deficit spending began with the Federal Reserve. It is now at over $14 trillion and growing. We can NEVER pay off the debt, and there is no intent to. We've spent the past 100 years living off of TOMORROW'S MONEY, and we're running out of tomorrow's money. People have NO IDEA how big of a number 14 trillion is. Let's count to a BILLION, right now -- whoever wants, go ahead and start counting, I'll time you. Count one per second, don't eat or sleep or do anything else; it will take you nearly THIRTY TWO YEARS! And that's just a BILLION, when you get through with that you would have to do it another FOURTEEN THOUSAND TIMES!!!

For someone to stand up and rail about "corporate jets" and other class-envy tripe (which would put tens of thousands of engineers, builders, service-people, airport maintenance and fuel suppliers and other workers OUT OF JOBS --- the same as the "Luxury Tax" did early 90's, to the yacht industry!), or rail about some kind of "cuts to spending of a BILLION or two", is as if boxes of pennies fill a room from floor to ceiling (and in another thousand rooms!) and they take ONE PENNY and shave off a microscopic sliver to show how much they are addressing the problem! The media is so corrupt they never CALL anyone on this blatant deception.

It also makes me furious when I hear people say "The budget was BALANCED under Clinton" --- it was never balanced! The national debt GREW under Clinton, which it would NOT have if it had been balanced! They do stupid bookkeeping like deciding to vote in a 10 billion dollar tax increase, then they change their minds and vote in only a three billion increase so they CALL it a SEVEN BILLION DEFICIT REDUCTION!!! It is not --- it is a three billion increase! Senator Paul Ryan compared it to a "proposal to spend 5 trillion dollars to cover the moon with yogurt; and then the next day we can RESCIND the proposal and call it a FIVE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT REDUCTION!"

The budget will be balanced when the DEFICIT CEASES GROWING, PERIOD!

[RevLogos]

Maybe scapegoat Islam isn't the Boogeyman.

Islam is but one prong on a fork; all prongs merge to the same handle. Why does the Western Left appear to have so much sympathy for Islam when they seem so opposite? Its all deception. The house is not divided.

I understand your reticence.

[Watchmen 4 Christ]

What Bible reference?

Psalm 16:10,I Peter 3:18 & 19,Ephesians 4:9,Luke 23:42-43,Matthew 12:40

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

You indicate that you live in Illinois; how will you travel to the "remote site" when everything falls apart?

Suffice to say I'll be there in time, as will others.

Mormons have created retreats of this sort. The guy I worked with who has an above-ground retreat (with water-powered generator) is a Mormon, though non-practicing.

I've stolen a few pages out of the LDS notebook along the way, but the Mor(m)ons have a different purpose and aren't prepared on the scale I'm speaking of.

I would also like to know about your documentation, if you're willing to PM.

I really just posted to encourage others who look around in dismay at all the complacent Pre-Trib Rapturists. I might consider some level of disclosure.

I think one of the things I'm most angry about in American History, is the "Federal Reserve Act" of 1913. It was snuck through in the dark of night, during a Christmas recess, the same as all liberal garbage nowadays. Wilson had second thoughts after signing it, reportedly saying: "You know, I think I just destroyed my country".

Yes, and JFK was assassinated shortly after issuing an Executive Order to rescind the Federal Reserve Act and Coinage Act; thus abolishing the private Fed to issue a national currency that wasn't based on a fractional reserve system.

The Federal Reserve is not a government agency; it's a group of private banks that have been running the country ever since. In 1913 our national debt was ZERO. Deficit spending began with the Federal Reserve. It is now at over $14 trillion and growing. We can NEVER pay off the debt, and there is no intent to. We've spent the past 100 years living off of TOMORROW'S MONEY, and we're running out of tomorrow's money. People have NO IDEA how big of a number 14 trillion is. Let's count to a BILLION, right now -- whoever wants, go ahead and start counting, I'll time you. Count one per second, don't eat or sleep or do anything else; it will take you nearly THIRTY TWO YEARS! And that's just a BILLION, when you get through with that you would have to do it another FOURTEEN THOUSAND TIMES!!!

For someone to stand up and rail about "corporate jets" and other class-envy tripe (which would put tens of thousands of engineers, builders, service-people, airport maintenance and fuel suppliers and other workers OUT OF JOBS --- the same as the "Luxury Tax" did early 90's, to the yacht industry!), or rail about some kind of "cuts to spending of a BILLION or two", is as if boxes of pennies fill a room from floor to ceiling (and in another thousand rooms!) and they take ONE PENNY and shave off a microscopic sliver to show how much they are addressing the problem! The media is so corrupt they never CALL anyone on this blatant deception.

It also makes me furious when I hear people say "The budget was BALANCED under Clinton" --- it was never balanced! The national debt GREW under Clinton, which it would NOT have if it had been balanced! They do stupid bookkeeping like deciding to vote in a 10 billion dollar tax increase, then they change their minds and vote in only a three billion increase so they CALL it a SEVEN BILLION DEFICIT REDUCTION!!! It is not --- it is a three billion increase! Senator Paul Ryan compared it to a "proposal to spend 5 trillion dollars to cover the moon with yogurt; and then the next day we can RESCIND the proposal and call it a FIVE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT REDUCTION!"

The budget will be balanced when the DEFICIT CEASES GROWING, PERIOD!

The deficit in a Fractional Reserve cannot be eliminated. The debt in a Fractional Reserve cannot be exhausted. The money is BORROWED INTO EXISTENCE. The debt IS the currency, for all intents and purposes. It can only be managed within variable parameters for an extended period of time. The currency has no intrinsic actual face value referenced to a tangible standard. Imminent collapse is the only scenario, regardless how many decades it's delayed.

All major world monetary systems are Fractional Reserves. That's what makes them vulnerable to an agenda to iintentionally collapse them.

Good post!

[John 8:32]

You indicate that you live in Illinois; how will you travel to the "remote site" when everything falls apart?

Mormons have created retreats of this sort. The guy I worked with who has an above-ground retreat (with water-powered generator) is a Mormon, though non-practicing.
I would also like to know about your documentation, if you're willing to PM.
I think one of the things I'm most angry about in American History, is the "Federal Reserve Act" of 1913. It was snuck through in the dark of night, during a Christmas recess, the same as all liberal garbage nowadays. Wilson had second thoughts after signing it, reportedly saying: "You know, I think I just destroyed my country".

The Federal Reserve is not a government agency; it's a group of private banks that have been running the country ever since. In 1913 our national debt was ZERO. Deficit spending began with the Federal Reserve. It is now at over $14 trillion and growing. We can NEVER pay off the debt, and there is no intent to. We've spent the past 100 years living off of TOMORROW'S MONEY, and we're running out of tomorrow's money. People have NO IDEA how big of a number 14 trillion is. Let's count to a BILLION, right now -- whoever wants, go ahead and start counting, I'll time you. Count one per second, don't eat or sleep or do anything else; it will take you nearly THIRTY TWO YEARS! And that's just a BILLION, when you get through with that you would have to do it another FOURTEEN THOUSAND TIMES!!!

For someone to stand up and rail about "corporate jets" and other class-envy tripe (which would put tens of thousands of engineers, builders, service-people, airport maintenance and fuel suppliers and other workers OUT OF JOBS --- the same as the "Luxury Tax" did early 90's, to the yacht industry!), or rail about some kind of "cuts to spending of a BILLION or two", is as if boxes of pennies fill a room from floor to ceiling (and in another thousand rooms!) and they take ONE PENNY and shave off a microscopic sliver to show how much they are addressing the problem! The media is so corrupt they never CALL anyone on this blatant deception.

It also makes me furious when I hear people say "The budget was BALANCED under Clinton" --- it was never balanced! The national debt GREW under Clinton, which it would NOT have if it had been balanced! They do stupid bookkeeping like deciding to vote in a 10 billion dollar tax increase, then they change their minds and vote in only a three billion increase so they CALL it a SEVEN BILLION DEFICIT REDUCTION!!! It is not --- it is a three billion increase! Senator Paul Ryan compared it to a "proposal to spend 5 trillion dollars to cover the moon with yogurt; and then the next day we can RESCIND the proposal and call it a FIVE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT REDUCTION!"

The budget will be balanced when the DEFICIT CEASES GROWING, PERIOD!

Actually if you do some research on the national debt, you will find that the US started out in debt. We were debt free for 2 years, 1835 and 1836, but even 'Old Hickory' couldn't hold out against the urge to spend beyond our means.

[Eyelog]

Most of the $ are profits from personal business interests specifically for that purpose.

The whole purpose is to prolong the opportunity to share the Gospel until inevitable martyrdom. It's not for preserving a love of life and leisure in safety. Polycarp and the Apostle Peter evaded capture and arrest for martyrdom a number of times. No sense putting one's own head in the guillotine while there are those lost without Christ. But cowering in a hidey-hole is no way to demonstrate faith.

Well said, brother.

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Actually if you do some research on the national debt, you will find that the US started out in debt. We were debt free for 2 years, 1835 and 1836, but even 'Old Hickory' couldn't hold out against the urge to spend beyond our means.

Well... true. But Gold Reserve debt and Fractional Reserve debt are two VERY different things for two VERY different reasons.

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Islam is but one prong on a fork; all prongs merge to the same handle. Why does the Western Left appear to have so much sympathy for Islam when they seem so opposite? Its all deception. The house is not divided.

I have no sympathy for Islam (beyond evangelistic concern). I'm just pointing to the fear-mongering Dispy perspective that Israel is good and Islam is bad, so Islam is the Big Bad Boogeyman in everything.

I understand your reticence.

And I always appreciate your pervasive understandings of many things.