What are you doing to prepare for the Tribulation?

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

I'm capable of engaging that discussion; and as always, I strive to converse with love and respect.

If so, that would be a welcome respite. Respectfully, I remain doubtful. There is simply no scriptural usage of the term "person" in relation to Father and Holy Spirit. It's a creedal term with a manufactured special definition based on inference. Without that term, there is no Trinity doctrine; it becomes Tritheism, Triadism, or something else altogether. Besides... God is something ELSE.

Jesus is fully God; had no beginning, and the Jews at the time understood Him to be calling Himself "God".

Agreed.

I know what Mormons and JW's say about Him, and how to respond. Is there a thread on this board in which you were involved?

Several. A new one would be preferable if discussion were to continue.

Or perhaps would you be interested in interacting in a new thread?

Possibly. But only if others are searching for truth rather than debate from default indoctrination.

Exegesis is generally easy. Take the discussion of "Once Saved Always Saved" --- one merely needs to quote a few warnings of "fall-from-salvation" to prove all three views wrong; sound exegesis.

I'm not sure I agree. Sound exegesis begins with a look at the text and consideration of hermeneutics, etc. Most are much too quick to contend they've "proven" a view, and seldom have much understanding of other views.

True. But what part will Islam play in this?

Ultimately, diversion.

It's critical that we understand what salvation is (hence my thread "What Is Salvation?"); because as we enter the "time of testing" many people who think they are saved, or that "they cannot fall", will face terrible challenges.

Well... I agree, but probably from a totally different perspective.

The greatest preparation we can do for the Tribulation, is to strengthen ourselves in Christ.

Okay. I feel compelled to make natural provisions for thousands of others ALSO. To me, it's not an either/or.

[RevLogos]

The leaven of the Pharisees is something you often mention but I don't think I've ever seen you spell out just what it is you mean. With respect, some might say that particular line is tantamount to speaking in riddles which don't help anybody. Is there something specific you have in mind when you refer to "the leaven of the Pharisees"?

There were only two things that got Jesus really riled up. One was the money-changers in the Temple. The other was the Pharisees. Take Mat 23 for example. Wow does he go after them! I suspect PPS and I have similar views though perhaps arrived at through different directions. In observing evil, I liken it to a fork, with many tines but one handle. The handle is the leaven of the Pharisees. The tines may appear quite different from one another, even superficially opposite. But when broken down to their core worldviews, there is a common theme, a common strategy, and a common source. And it all works together toward a common goal.

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

There were only two things that got Jesus really riled up. One was the money-changers in the Temple. The other was the Pharisees. Take Mat 23 for example. Wow does he go after them! I suspect PPS and I have similar views though perhaps arrived at through different directions. In observing evil, I liken it to a fork, with many tines but one handle. The handle is the leaven of the Pharisees. The tines may appear quite different from one another, even superficially opposite. But when broken down to their core worldviews, there is a common theme, a common strategy, and a common source. And it all works together toward a common goal.

I can see that in a sense.

And the money changers were an extension of a functioning fractional reserve, which is dishonest weights and measures. God abhores that. Sounds familiar...

[Gadgeteer]

If so, that would be a welcome respite. Respectfully, I remain doubtful. There is simply no scriptural usage of the term "person" in relation to Father and Holy Spirit. It's a creedal term with a manufactured special definition based on inference. Without that term, there is no Trinity doctrine; it becomes Tritheism, Triadism, or something else altogether. Besides... God is something ELSE.

What do you perceive --- "Modalism"? The view that one Being can manifest as Father, or Spirit, or Son?

Jesus is fully God; had no beginning, and the Jews at the time understood Him to be calling Himself "God".

Agreed.

Jesus is Jehovah. Jehovah is the "Alpha and Omega" in Revelation1, and JESUS is the "Alpha and Omega" in Revelation 22. By agreeing to what I said, it would seem you do lean towards "Modalism"...

Several. A new one would be preferable if discussion were to continue.

I can do that; what forum is preferable?

Possibly. But only if others are searching for truth rather than debating from default indoctrination.

It's all a question of "which of our views does Scripture support?"

I'm not sure I agree. Sound exegesis begins with a look at the text and consideration of hermeneutics, etc. Most are much too quick to contend they've "proven" a view, and seldom have much understanding of other views.

You're right; and "sound exegesis" also includes the context of the whole, that "Scripture interprets Scripture".

Ultimately, diversion.

They sure are taking over Europe. The European birth rate is barely over 1, because of excess taxation; a sustainable population must have at least 2.5. Islamic births are much higher. This means Europe will BE Moslem.

Well... I agree, but probably from a totally different perspective.

Did you read the thread, "What is salvation?"? I promote the idea that salvation at its essence is an indwelt fellowship of love. It's not WHAT we know, but WHO we know, and Who knows us.

Okay. I feel compelled to make natural provisions for thousands of others ALSO. To me, it's not an either/or.

I'm curious as to how you choose who will be included. Family? Friends? Employees?

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

What do you perceive --- "Modalism"? The view that one Being can manifest as Father, or Spirit, or Son?

No. I do consider Modalism closer to truth in a ways than Trinity; but no.

Jesus is Jehovah. Jehovah is the "Alpha and Omega" in Revelation1, and JESUS is the "Alpha and Omega" in Revelation 22. By agreeing to what I said, it would seem you do lean towards "Modalism"...

Over Trinity, yes; but no.

I can do that; what forum is preferable?

Bible Chat, I suppose. It may get booted to Contro, especially if the "Rhetoric Rate" rises.

It's all a question of "which of our views does Scripture support?"

Well... true. But EVERY God-model has a substantial apologetic. Trinity is quite vulnerable, and relies on inference; but is considered "default" and "neutral". Your biggest dilemna will be substantiating the crucial term "person(s)".

You're right; and "sound exegesis" also includes the context of the whole, that "Scripture interprets Scripture".

Agreed. Do you adhere to Sola Scriptura?

They sure are taking over Europe. The European birth rate is barely over 1, because of excess taxation; a sustainable population must have at least 2.5. Islamic births are much higher. This means Europe will BE Moslem.

I recognize all that; and I didn't imply they had no role. I just said they weren't the driving force for the overall agenda of what will usher in the Eschaton.

Did you read the thread, "What is salvation?"?

No. I'm not on BF much any more.

I promote the idea that salvation at its essence is an indwelt fellowship of love. It's not WHAT we know, but WHO we know, and Who knows us.

I wholly agree, based on that simple summary.

I'm curious as to how you choose who will be included. Family? Friends? Employees?

It varies. There is leadership and criteria for all that, led of the Spirit.

Not many Desperate Dispies, most likely. :-)

[Gadgeteer]

No. I do consider Modalism closer to truth in a way than Trinity; but no.

Well, now I'm curious as to what you perceive. It's either one Being and one person, or one Being and three persons. What else?

Over Trinity, yes; but no.

Hmmm; I think you are "deliberately mysterious". ;-)

Bible Chat, I suppose. It may get booted to Contro, especially if the "Rhetoric Rate" rises.

Give me a day or two, gotta get up early tomorrow. The horse is moody, hope it's one of his "good" days.

Well... true. But EVERY God-model has a substantial apologetic. Trinity is quite vulnerable, and relies on inference; but is considered "default" and "neutral". Your biggest dilemma will be substantiating the crucial term "person(s)".

Well, God is a person, we'll agree on that much; the discussion will be whether Jesus is separate from the Father, and from the Spirit.

Agreed. Do you adhere to Sola Scriptura?

Not sure I fully understand what that means; if it means that Scripture is inspired by God ("God-breathed", 2Tim3:16), and valid and harmonious and without error, yes.

I recognize all that; and I didn't imply they had no role. I just said they weren't the driving force for the overall agenda of what will usher in the Eschaton.

True; there is a "one-world-government" agenda, and it's not Islamic.

I remember watching the TV show, "Mantis". When they began to make episodes about "men in black, coming here from a different dimension to create a one-world-government", I thought that was a little too close to the truth, and the show was doomed. It was.

No. I'm not on BF much any more.

If you're interested, here is the link. I think I answer the questions in post 18...

I wholly agree, based on that simple summary.

Then you'll like the thread. :-)

It varies. There is leadership and criteria for all that, led of the Spirit.

Not many Desperate Dispies, most likely. :-)

What He seems to be teaching me most lately, is "do not be afraid".

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Well, now I'm curious as to what you perceive. It's either one Being and one person, or one Being and three persons. What else?

None of these:
Tritheism
Triadism
Trinitarianism
Bitheism
Diadism
Binitarianism
Unitarianism
Arianism
Sabellianism

Hmmm; I think you are "deliberately mysterious". ;-)

Possibly, but not obtuse or evasive. It deserves thread attention rather than passing summary. Trinity impairs understanding of other God-models.

Give me a day or two, gotta get up early tomorrow. The horse is moody, hope it's one of his "good" days.

No hurries, no worries.

Well, God is a person, we'll agree on that much;

No, God is not "person" of ANY quantity. And Theotes (Godhead) is the singular personality of God. We'll get into the exegesis in the thread. :-)

the discussion will be whether Jesus is separate from the Father, and from the Spirit.

Yes. They are distinct, but not discreet. None of the F/S/HS are each other. (See... no modalism.)

Not sure I fully understand what that means; if it means that Scripture is inspired by God ("God-breathed", 2Tim3:16), and valid and harmonious and without error, yes.

Sola Scriptura means scripture alone.

True; there is a "one-world-government" agenda, and it's not Islamic.

But what IS it? Few seem to know who the real Boogeyman is.

I remember watching the TV show, "Mantis". When they began to make episodes about "men in black, coming here from a different dimension to create a one-world-government", I thought that was a little too close to the truth, and the show was doomed. It was.

Interesting.

If you're interested, here is the link. I think I answer the questions in post 18...

Okay. I'll go there.

Then you'll like the thread. :-)

Likely.

What He seems to be teaching me most lately, is "do not be afraid".

There's no fear in love. Perfect love casts out fear.

God hath not given a spirit of fear...

[Gadgeteer]

None of these:
Tritheism
Triadism
Trinitarianism
Bitheism
Diadism
Binitarianism
Unitarianism
Arianism
Sabellianism

Possibly, but not obtuse or evasive. It deserves thread attention rather than passing summary. Trinity impairs understanding of other God-models.

Well, then, that should be interesting. I can't imagine what the doctrine is that accepts Jesus as "God", but doesn't propose a "tri-une God".

No, God is not "person" of ANY quantity. And Theotes (Godhead) is the singular personality of God. We'll get into the exegesis in the thread. :-)

Yes. They are distinct, but not discreet. None of the F/S/HS are each other. (See... no modalism.)

I look forward to your thoughts. The new thread is here.

Sola Scriptura means scripture alone.

I believe all Scripture is inspired by God ("God-breathed", 2Tim3:16). I do not believe in "subsequent revelations" that can overturn what God inspired in His Word. Therefore it does appear I subscribe to that.

But what IS it? Few seem to know who the real Boogeyman is.

Conspiracy theorists brand them as the "Illuminati"; likely headed by people including George Sorros.

Interesting.

It was a good show. The main character was a paraplegic person who built an exo-skeleton which allowed him to access his muscles; no one suspected him because the Mantis could walk and run. He had an underwater base and a flying car, ran around fighting criminals.

Okay. I'll go there.

:-)

There's no fear in love. Perfect love casts out fear.

God hath not given a spirit of fear...

That is true. But we must carefully define our terms, lest we say the same words (like "The Lord God" and "Praise the Savior Jesus"), but mean very different things.

With respect, the discussion with you thus far has been fun and interesting.

:-)

[vinsight4u8]

You could start by not having your picture taken with the 6 foot cutout of the Hardees fake god coming to a store near you.

[John 8:32]

Well, then, that should be interesting. I can't imagine what the doctrine is that accepts Jesus as "God", but doesn't propose a "tri-une God".

Ever hear of a family? You know, the family we are to be sons and daughters of the Father and younger brothers and sisters to our Elder Brother.

[soft]

Hi ya'll,

I am of the belief that we'll be around for the tribulation. I think I take a bit of what several people have shared and I think it really depends on how each person feels led by God. I can imagine that some people will feel led to "hide" and survive, while others will feel a call to form some kind of underground "resistance" by preaching via posters under the cover of dark, internet messages, printed materials, or whatever other medium they can get their hands on.

I believe there will be a final 7 years of history starting from the point where an agreement is made to rebuild the Jewish temple or in some other way enable sacrifices to resume but that 3.5 years into that agreement, the AC will renege on his part of the agreement and the great tribulation will start.

It is unclear exactly when the Mark of the Beast will be implemented. It could start well before the great tribulation or shortly after.

But the prophecy says we cannot buy or sell without the Mark, so anyone who rejects it will be forced to trust God for all they have, or die. Matthew 6:24-34 is a fantastic answer to the Mark. In those verses, Jesus deals directly with the exact issue of choosing between God or money and he says that if anyone seeks God's Kingdom first, then God will honor that faith and take care of the things he feels those people need. However, even then, it is all subject to what God feels his people need at any given moment.

On a practical note, some good ways to prepare for the tribulation are to cut down on spending, learn to forsake possessions, do some secret fasting just to get used to the idea of what it means to be hungry, reject biometric passports, reject smart cards or any kind of banking that relies on microchips (or at least make steps in that direction) etc...

For the more advanced or adventurous, you could try a "faith outreach"...but this post is already a bit long...