What say you?
Yes, He truly challenges us in this regard
No, he was a false prophet preaching rebellion against God.
No, only Christians can be righteous, so everything he did was unrighteous.
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What say you?
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Deadpan Snarker
No, he was content to stand by and watch genocide.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Gandhi was quoted as saying...
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.” Gandhi
What reaction (or action) does this evoke in us?
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Sorry, Fenris, I didn't think of making an option with you in mind! My undersight!Originally Posted by Fenris
Did Gandhi not fast when he saw the senseless killing? Did he not avert MORE bloodshed through his sacrifices?
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Deadpan Snarker
Um, no. He preached nonviolence against the Nazis, which is not only immoral but also idiotic.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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He preached non-violence period! He sought to overcome evil by good. Jesus also preached this....in fact Gandhi was actually (unlike his followers) trying to obey the bible EXACTLY.
"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Rom. 12:21
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you, MAT 5:44.
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Deadpan Snarker
Yeah, that would have really stopped the Nazis in their tracks.
Pacifism means siding with the aggressor. I fail to see how this is moral.
Further, when he made comments on how the Jews should lay down their lives to the Nazis, Martin Buber offered a sharp retort- noting that when Indians were the victims of persecution, Gandhi had on occasion supported the use of force. That also makes him a hypocrite.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Gandhi was human after all. But he looked for a better way to solve the problems of mankind. Unless we have the force to subdue the whole world, then at one point one must stop returning evil for evil. Even evil men avow this.Yeah, that would have really stopped the Nazis in their tracks.
Pacifism means siding with the aggressor. I fail to see how this is moral.
Further, when he made comments on how the Jews should lay down their lives to the Nazis, Martin Buber offered a sharp retort- noting that when Indians were the victims of persecution, Gandhi had on occasion supported the use of force. That also makes him a hypocrite.
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Deadpan Snarker
Using force in defense of innocents is not evil.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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I tend to agree with you. But one must be careful with the use of the word...innocent. Protecting the defenseless could be done by giving oneself to the aggressors, rather than simply blowing them away without a thought.
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Deadpan Snarker
Yes, so back to the topic at hand. How would Gandhi have defeated the Nazis? Passive resistance? No, that would be acting complicit.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Active resistance but from a self-sacrificial stance. Using cameras...writing to the families of soldiers. Tracts describing the better way.... just a few ideas.
Men will be men after all. Atrocities will happen. But what is learned?
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Deadpan Snarker
Apparently nothing is learned, because you're content to let people be murdered.
I'm reminded of a quote by Camus. "Perhaps we cannot prevent this world from being a world in which children are tortured. But we can reduce the number of tortured children."
Of course, some would rather just sit by and write letters to soldiers or whatever.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Posting Freak
Both Gandhi and Mother Teresa have been paraded by the media as living saints. This artificial image is a false one. Books have since been written on the Teresa / Gandhi myths. Both were hypocrites.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. - John 8:36
Grand Master
I've heard from at least several sources that Gandhi looked down on Blacks, and basically accused the English of "treating Indians like Blacks". (Only reportedly he didn't use the word "Blacks".)
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