Was Gandhi a champion of righteous behaviour?

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Interesting thread. Shows how little I know about Gandhi.

[episkopos]

Apparently nothing is learned, because you're content to let people be murdered.

I'm reminded of a quote by Camus. "Perhaps we cannot prevent this world from being a world in which children are tortured. But we can reduce the number of tortured children."

Of course, some would rather just sit by and write letters to soldiers or whatever.

Not to soldiers...write to their moms...their pastors or other religious leaders.

If we used even a tenth of the ingenuity and manpower we use to kill people, we could do a lot to alleviate the injustices in the world. The problem stems from the fact that we are no better than our enemies...or ever so slightly better (in our minds). This does not justify murder.

A Christian uses spiritual weapons of mass conversion. (WMC's)

I think that smart men can reason better than smart bombs any day of the week. Do we hand over any security problems to the dogs of war and wash our hands?

[Fenris]

Interesting thread. Shows how little I know about Gandhi.

Seems to be lots of that going around...

[Fenris]

I we used even a tenth of the ingenuity and manpower we use to kill people, we could do alot to alleviate the injustices in the world.

Sweeping statements are easy to make. The truth is, it was force of arms that stopped Hitler. Not flowery speech.

The problem stems from the fact that we are no better than our enemies...or ever so slightly better (in our minds). This does not justify murder.

Shooting an armed person intent on murder is not murder.

I think that smart men can reason better than smart bombs any day of the week. Do we hand over any security problems to the dogs of war and wash our hands?

Yup.

[episkopos]

I've heard from at least several sources that Gandhi looked down on Blacks, and basically accused the English of "treating Indians like Blacks". (Only reportedly he didn't use the word "Blacks".)

If you knew more of Gandhi, you would realize that he was sympathetic to the apartheid cause, having spent time in South Africa.

The white man has a tendency to great evil. This is what Gandhi was saying. Whites tend to look down on other races as inferior.

[Fenris]

The white man has a tendency to great evil. This is what Gandhi was saying. Whites tend to look down on other races as inferior.

LOL. As if white people invented racism. You need to get out more.

Keep talking. Gandhi looks worse with every post.

[episkopos]

Sweeping statements are easy to make. The truth is, it was force of arms that stopped Hitler. Not flowery speech.

Shooting an armed person intent on murder is not murder.
Yup.

For you I see this is cut and dried. Hitler was indeed a very evil man. Was Ho Chi Mihn also evil? Was it righteous to kill 2 million people based on protecting the cause of a would be affront to capitalism? And force DID NOT work. The people died in vain. Ho Chi Mihn was victorious. Did force work? Is might right?

[gringo300]

LOL. As if white people invented racism. You need to get out more.

Keep talking. Gandhi looks worse with every post.

I figured out a long time ago that a large number of people on this board will tell you that racism is something ONLY White people are capable of.

[Fenris]

For you I see this is cut and dried. Hitler was indeed a very evil man. Was Ho Chi Mihn also evil? Was it righteous to kill 2 million people based on protecting the cause of a would be affront to capitalism? And force DID NOT work. The people died in vain. Ho Chi Mihn was victorious. Did force work? Is might right?

Of course force worked. When we pulled out of Vietnam we were winning the war. The political will to fight on was what was missing.

[Fenris]

I figured out a long time ago that a large number of people on this board will tell you that racism is something ONLY White people are capable of.

They need to get out more, too.

[episkopos]

LOL. As if white people invented racism. You need to get out more.

Keep talking. Gandhi looks worse with every post.

Do you know any history? When did black men come into a white nation and lock them up in slave ships to be sold as cattle? (this is not a racist viewpoint on cattle btw)



Gandhi's statement was that the English were using and exploiting the Indian population with little regard for their welfare. They were treated as slaves. Gandhi took a part in emancipating his people with surprisingly little violence. History won't remember our comments about him...but his legacy will continue to shine.

[gringo300]

I'm a little unclear on exactly what apartheid was.

If I understand correctly, there was racial segregation in South Africa before there was apartheid.

If I understand correctly, the English government once ruled South Africa.

From what I understand, the Afrikaners/Boers claimed that the English government oppressed them at the time.

I'm still unclear on the details of a lot of all this.

[episkopos]

Of course force worked. When we pulled out of Vietnam we were winning the war. The political will to fight on was what was missing.

Killing is winning? What a warped sense of logic! We all lose (humanity) when men rip each other to pieces. We are human are we not?

[Fenris]

Do you know any history? When did black men come into a white nation and lock them up in slave ships to be sold as cattle? (this is not a racist viewpoint on cattle btw)

What does this have to do with anything? Blacks or Asians can't also be racist?

History won't remember our comments about him...but his legacy will continue to shine.

As another poster has already noted, he was also a hypocrite. I don't see his legacy as being "shiny".

[episkopos]

I'm a little unclear on exactly what apartheid was.

If I understand correctly, there was racial segregation in South Africa before there was apartheid.

If I understand correctly, the English government once ruled South Africa.

From what I understand, the Afrikaners/Boers claimed that the English government oppressed them at the time.

I'm still unclear on the details of a lot of all this.

Blacks were treated as untermenschen (undermen or subhuman) by the ruling whites,be they English or Boer.