Take note of the attire worn by the seven angels in Rev. 15.

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These are dressed to seal people.

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Why do you draw that conclusion?

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Why do you draw that conclusion?

I get it from the words in Ezekiel 7 and 9 that show one in linen, that has a way to destroy, will go out and set a mark on the people for protection from the coming trouble.

Rev. 7 and Ezekiel 7 are both set around a time of four corners.
Ezekiel 9 has it as to after the sealing is done and the trouble begins, the one in linen (that was given the job to do) will go back and report to God.
In Rev. 7 this would make the sealing angels that came from the east be standing before God and John hears the sealing report given by them.

Rev. 7:1
And I saw another angel ascending from the east...
7:3 ...saying...till we have sealed...

-They can't do the sealing job unless they are in linen, and have been given a way to destroy. /as in - The 7 angels must come from the east as carrying plagues and wearing linen outfits.
This means that they must be in chapter 15 where the plagues are shown in their possession before they can start the things in 7:3.

Ezekiel 7
v 2 ...upon the four corners...

Rev. 7:1
...on the four corners...

Ezekiel 9:2 ...a slaughter weapon...in linen...
v 4 ...set a mark...

--So in Rev. 7 only ones in linen and having a weapon (plague) can go out to seal the tribes of Israel.
All 21 plagues are shown with the angels in Rev. 15. This is the chapter where John first saw "seven angels" as a set. The seven angels are shown in linen, and only after this point could they be ready to play the role of Rev. 7 as to sealing people.

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Verse 15:5 is when John is beginning to watch a new vision start.

"And after that I looked..."

v6 And the seven angels came out of the temple,...plagues...linen...

This is the first place in Rev. overall where seven angels have turned into "the seven angels".
This act is required way ahead of Rev. 8:2 where John sees again "the seven angels".

Rev. 15 is bringng forth the sealing angel set.
They are now ready for Rev. 7 to show they came from the east.

Why did they come from the east?
Because one of the four beasts gave them the seven vials, and he is in the east/Babylon - where all four seals have John come and see what is going on there.

These beasts are not in heaven.
John is going back and forth to watch the Lamb open the seals 1-4.

starts out in heaven - the Lamb opens a seal,
then John is to come and see - at the location of the first seal beast,
then he goes back to a heaven scene where the Lamb opens the next seal and so on

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What plagues were the seven angels given by the one beast?
The middle set of plagues. These vials will have to be poured out -and then filled up with the Rev. 15:1 set that John saw (not yet in vials). Those filling the vials up for the second round will be known as "the seven last plagues".

KJV

Rev. 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven...seven angels...havng the seven last plagues...

-John does not mention them as in anything yet.

Rev. 15:7 ....vials full...

-These will need to be emptied out before the Rev. 15:1 plagues can go in those same vials.

16:1
...pour out the wrath of God...

17:1 ...the seven vials...

21:9 ...had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues...

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Notice that John does not watch any sealing job actually happen in Rev. 7. John will only see the angels that seal people and hear the numbers that get sealed, yet John is aware that this all links up together. How does he know that? He had to see the sealing angels stand before God in Rev. 7 when the report was given as to the numbers that had been sealed.

Angels are seen ascending in the east.
They set out to seal the 144,000.
John is only told that part.
John hears the numbers sealed.
The sealing angels must now be standing before God.
They are ready to become the trumpet angels.
They are ready to bring forth the plagues in their possession.
They stand before God having been given all 21 plagues from chapter 15.
7 trumpet plagues
14 vials full plagues

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KJV - Rev 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
© Info: - King James Version 1769 Info


"which stood"

/They stood back in Rev. 7 when the sealing report was given by them.
NKJV - Rev 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.
© Info: - New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

NLT - Rev 8:2 - I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and they were given seven trumpets.
© Info: - New Living Translation © 2007 Tyndale House Foundation


NIV - Rev 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.
© Info: - The Holy Bible, New International Version© 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society

ESV - Rev 8:2 - Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.
© Info: - English Standard Version © 2001, 2007 Crossway Bibles

NASB - Rev 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.
© Info: - New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation


RSV - Rev 8:2 - Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.
© Info: - Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.


ASV - Rev 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels that stand before God; and there were given unto them seven trumpets.
© Info: - American Standard Version 1901 Info


YLT - Rev 8:2 - and I saw the seven messengers who before God have stood, and there were given to them seven trumpets,
© Info: - Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info

"have stood"


DBY - Rev 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.
© Info: - J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info


WEB - Rev 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels who stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
© Info: - Noah Webster Version 1833 Info

HNV - Rev 8:2 - I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

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KJV - Rev 7:2 - And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
© Info: - King James Version 1769 Info

"another angel ascending from the east"

/So who was seen as the first one?
All of the seven angels appeared to John right here.


NKJV - Rev 7:2 - Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
© Info: - New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson


NLT - Rev 7:2 - And I saw another angel coming up from the east, carrying the seal of the living God. And he shouted to those four angels, who had been given power to harm land and sea,
© Info: - New Living Translation © 2007 Tyndale House Foundation

NIV - Rev 7:2 - Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:
© Info: - The Holy Bible, New International Version© 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society


ESV - Rev 7:2 - Then I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea,
© Info: - English Standard Version © 2001, 2007 Crossway Bibles


NASB - Rev 7:2 - And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
© Info: - New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation

RSV - Rev 7:2 - Then I saw another angel ascend from the rising of the sun, with the seal of the living God, and he called with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm earth and sea,
© Info: - Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.


ASV - Rev 7:2 - And I saw another angel ascend from the sunrising, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a great voice to the four angels to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
© Info: - American Standard Version 1901 Info

YLT - Rev 7:2 - and I saw another messenger going up from the rising of the sun, having a seal of the living God, and he did cry with a great voice to the four messengers, to whom it was given to injure the land and the sea, saying,
© Info: - Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info



DBY - Rev 7:2 - And I saw another angel ascending from [the] sunrising, having [the] seal of [the] living God; and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it had been given to hurt the earth and the sea,
© Info: - J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info

WEB - Rev 7:2 - And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
© Info: - Noah Webster Version 1833 Info

HNV - Rev 7:2 - I saw another angel ascend from the sunrise, having the seal of the living God. He cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was given to harm the eretz and the sea,

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YLT - Rev 8:2 - and I saw the seven messengers who before God have stood, and there were given to them seven trumpets,
© Info: - Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info

This (Young's Literal) is a translation of what the Greek literally says.


Revelation 8:2
'καὶ εἶδον τοὺς ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλους οἳ ἐνώπιον τοῦ θεοῦ ἑστήκασιν, καὶ ἐδόθησαν αὐτοῖς ἑπτὰ σάλπιγγες.'
'And I saw the seven angels that stand in God's presence, and seven trumpets were given to them.'

The Greek word 'οἳ' means, 'who/what/that'. Any of these are correct, and must be chosen according to context as English demands.
The Greek word 'ἑστήκασιν' means, 'they have stood'. This is a state-of-being aspect and denotes that the action of standing was done in the past, and that the resultant state continues to exist upto the present. The translation that most likely corresponds to the Greek usage is, 'stand'. The continuous nature of this present tense suggests that the action began in the past, and continues to occur, and may continue indefinitely. It, thus, matches the Greek perfect tense rather well, though not perfectly.
Another possible match would be the literal rendering of 'have stood'. The limitation of this choice, is that it suggests that this is a past action which no longer continues. The transitive, or intransitive, nature of the verb is pertinent in these cases. In the case of a transitive verb, the perfect tense may be the better choice, because the focus is probably not on the action, but on the result of the action. However, in this case, that of 'to stand', the point is the action of standing, itself; not what might result from the standing.
What did John mean to say? Did he mean that he saw seven angels, and then he identifies them for us by describing them as the angels who, have at some past time, stood before God. Or, did he mean that he saw seven angels whose position in heaven is to be stationed before God? Context suggests, I believe, the latter.

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"another angel ascending from the east"
/So who was seen as the first one?

The 'other' angel, was one different than the first four that were seen by John in verse 1. Verse 1, 'I saw four angels', verse 2, 'I saw another angel'. So, between verses 1 and 2, there are a total of 5 angels. The fifth angel of verse 2, then shouts to the first four in verse 3.

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Rev. 21:9 ...one of the seven angels which had the seven vials...

17:1 ...one of the seven angels which had the seven vials...

Rev. 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood...

Rev. 7:11 And all the angels stood...

5:11 And I beheld...many angels round about the throne...

In Rev. 8 John saw a group of angels that he had seen in the past. Since John has seen so many angels, he will let us know that they are the ones that were given seven trumpets.
The 7th trumpet brings the start of God's wrath, so it impossible for the trumpets to sound after the end of the 6th seal.
Only the vials being poured out by the past trumpet angels can happen after the 7th seal is opened.

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When John describes the throne area at the start of Rev. 4, he does not see seven angels standing there, nor does John write of them later as being there with the elders and beasts or the Lamb as a group.

Where did John first see those would be back to dump out the vials after the 7th seal angels?

Well, back up from Rev. 8:2 as this can't be the place, as here he writes of "the seven angels".
So keep backtracking in the verses and we find that John heard the numbers that were sealed in Rev. 7. To know this, John had to watch the sealing angels give those numbers.

Why? Because John did not get to watch the sealing action take place.
So to link the numbers up to what that one angel in 7:3 said -John had to know who gave the report.
This means the sealing angels would now be standing before God.
They would have been told to go seal people, and just as in Ezekiel 7 and 9, they would have to return and report what they did.

If we backtrack more in chapter 7, we discover that the talking angel has come from the east.
-as "another" that John saw do that act

another angel
ascending from the east

Other places in Rev. where John refers to "another" of something, it shows that this action was done elsewhere first.

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The 'other' angel, was one different than the first four that were seen by John in verse 1. Verse 1, 'I saw four angels', verse 2, 'I saw another angel'. So, between verses 1 and 2, there are a total of 5 angels. The fifth angel of verse 2, then shouts to the first four in verse 3.

John would have written that he saw an angel ascending from the east.

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7:2

And I saw another angel ascending from the east,...

KJV

8:12
And the fourth angel sounded...
v 13
And I beheld and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,...

14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,...

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This (Young's Literal) is a translation of what the Greek literally says.


Revelation 8:2
'καὶ εἶδον τοὺς ἑπτὰ ἀγγέλους οἳ ἐνώπιον τοῦ θεοῦ ἑστήκασιν, καὶ ἐδόθησαν αὐτοῖς ἑπτὰ σάλπιγγες.'
'And I saw the seven angels that stand in God's presence, and seven trumpets were given to them.'

The Greek word 'οἳ' means, 'who/what/that'. Any of these are correct, and must be chosen according to context as English demands.
The Greek word 'ἑστήκασιν' means, 'they have stood'. This is a state-of-being aspect and denotes that the action of standing was done in the past, and that the resultant state continues to exist upto the present. The translation that most likely corresponds to the Greek usage is, 'stand'. The continuous nature of this present tense suggests that the action began in the past, and continues to occur, and may continue indefinitely. It, thus, matches the Greek perfect tense rather well, though not perfectly.
Another possible match would be the literal rendering of 'have stood'. The limitation of this choice, is that it suggests that this is a past action which no longer continues. The transitive, or intransitive, nature of the verb is pertinent in these cases. In the case of a transitive verb, the perfect tense may be the better choice, because the focus is probably not on the action, but on the result of the action. However, in this case, that of 'to stand', the point is the action of standing, itself; not what might result from the standing.
What did John mean to say? Did he mean that he saw seven angels, and then he identifies them for us by describing them as the angels who, have at some past time, stood before God. Or, did he mean that he saw seven angels whose position in heaven is to be stationed before God? Context suggests, I believe, the latter.

What set of angels do you think John writes about in Rev. 15:1?

...seven angels...

-So are these the same set as the Rev. 8:2 ones?