Satan is released and deceives the nations Rev 20:8

[Desperaux]

Yes, it did, Halleluah!Amen Halleluah!

Are you a preterist?

[Desperaux]

...but...that scripture says not one word about a 'Millennial' reign of Christ. It says (and I quote!)


That's what Raybob was saying too.

For someone to say a pre-kingdom happens before his eternal rule, they have to assume it and put it there.

That is not the truth. The bible tells us that Jesus is Lord forever, yet it also tells us there will be a time set aside where He will literally be King on earth, ruling from Israel, and it is for one thousand years.

[John 8:32]

That is not the truth. The bible tells us that Jesus is Lord forever, yet it also tells us there will be a time set aside where He will literally be King on earth, ruling from Israel, and it is for one thousand years.

Desperaux and I are rarely on the same page, but on this one we agree. Christ will rule on the earth for 1000 yrs and technically not forever...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The comes...


Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

God the Father will be here on the earth and rule both the physical and spiritual creation.

[billy-brown 2]

Saints,

Can we discuss the OP more?

Re: Satan is released and deceives the nations Rev 20:8

Remember?

(and this occurs after the "1000 years" yes?)

[Raybob]

You speak of this as past tense, but it has yet to happen...

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, ...

And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
(Luk 19:37)

Looks to me like it did. When you realize the kingdom of God is a spiritual one, not physical, and that is within you, not within governments, then you too, will realize it.

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
(Joh 18:36)

[Raybob]

Are you a preterist?

No. I'm a Christian that knows Jesus will return and divide the sheep and the goats at His coming, after the current reign on this earth is completed and this earth passes away.

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
(Mat 24:35-36)

[John 8:32]

And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
(Luk 19:37)

Looks to me like it did. When you realize the kingdom of God is a spiritual one, not physical, and that is within you, not within governments, then you too, will realize it.

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
(Joh 18:36)

I must have missed the part about the mountain splitting in two and the river flowing out as described in Ezek 47 as well as the flesh melting off the bones and the eyes dissolving in the sockets and all the nations of the earth keeping the Feast of Tabernacles and Egypt suffering droughts and plagues until it did.

[Raybob]

I must have missed the part about the mountain splitting in two and the river flowing out as described in Ezek 47 as well as the flesh melting off the bones and the eyes dissolving in the sockets and all the nations of the earth keeping the Feast of Tabernacles and Egypt suffering droughts and plagues until it did.

That's because you are looking for literal physical things to happen for a literal physical kingdom to come, rather than symbolic representation of the spiritual Kingdom of God that came.

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
(Luk 17:20-21)

This is totally off topic of the OP. If you want more clarification of Zechariah 14, feel free to PM me or start a new topic, or just go back and read the many threads on Zechariah 14 already posted.

[John146]

Jesus has yet to ascend His earthly throne where He will rule the nations for 1000 years. Remember?

Where does scripture teach that Jesus will ever have an earthly throne? What's wrong with the throne He's already on?

[John146]

You are in denial of the Millennial reign of Christ, predicted by Isaiah, Daniel, Micah, and Zechariah.

Daniel 7:13-14
¹³ As my vision continued that night, I saw someone like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient One and was led into his presence. ¹⁴ He was given authority, honor, and sovereignty over all the nations of the world, so that people of every race and nation and language would obey him. His rule is eternal—it will never end. His kingdom will never be destroyed.

It seems like maybe you need to spend more time reading the New Testament, which tells us how to interpret those OT passages. The fulfillment of Daniel 7:13-14 is given here:

Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Compare these 2 passages and see for yourself. Does Eph 1:19-23 not say that He already ascended to "the Ancient One" and already has "authority, honor, and sovereignty over all the nations of the world"? It sure does.

[John146]

A description of the actual millennium can be found in:

Isaiah 65:19-25
“And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD”.

If you include verses 17 and 18 you can see that is actually a description of the new heavens and new earth. What does Rev 21:1-7 say about the conditions there will be in the new heavens and new earth? Does it match your understanding of Isaiah 65:17-25?

[John146]

Scripture does teach us of a period of 1,000 years where Jesus Christ will rule with His saints. You choose to deny it.

No one here denies that. Not interpreting what that means the same way you do is not denying it. All some of us are denying is that you have the correct interpretation of what that means.

[John146]

I must have missed the part about the mountain splitting in two and the river flowing out as described in Ezek 47 as well as the flesh melting off the bones and the eyes dissolving in the sockets and all the nations of the earth keeping the Feast of Tabernacles and Egypt suffering droughts and plagues until it did.

And we must have missed the part that says we must take all scripture completely literally.

[Desperaux]

And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;
(Luk 19:37)

Looks to me like it did. When you realize the kingdom of God is a spiritual one, not physical, and that is within you, not within governments, then you too, will realize it.

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
(Joh 18:36)

This is a simple matter of erroneous interpretation. The Kingdom of God is both spiritual and physical. The physical Kingdom has yet to come.

[Desperaux]

No. I'm a Christian that knows Jesus will return and divide the sheep and the goats at His coming, after the current reign on this earth is completed and this earth passes away.

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
(Mat 24:35-36)

This is also false. Jesus, judgment of the sheep and the goats takes place at the onset of His Millennial Reign. The earth will never really pass away forever---God's plan is to recreate and restore it.

Psalm 119:90
Your faithfulness endures to all generations; You established the earth, and it abides.

Ecclesiastes 1:4
One generation passes away, and another generation comes; But the earth abides forever.