Satan is released and deceives the nations Rev 20:8

[billy-brown 2]

No---it refers to the unrighteous dead.

That's right.

The rest . . . of the dead are unrighteous, but the righteous Dead rule with Christ.

Yep.

[Desperaux]

That's right.

The rest . . . of the dead are unrighteous, but the righteous Dead rule with Christ.

Yep.

No one is ruling with Him yet. We are to receive our glorified bodies, and stand before Him at His Bema Seat for rewards and positions which we will work with and through in the Millennium. Right now the righteous are enjoying their Lord but they are not ruling with Him. He doesn't even have full rule yet, as He is still building His Church, and waiting for His time. Right now the enemy has a lot of control on Earth, and it is our job as Spirit-filled and Spirit-led Christians to wrest that place from him and take the authority of Christ over him.

It is the believer in the world that holds him at bay, disempowers him and casts him out where he/she encounters him by being obedient to the will of God and by interceding and taking his/her authority in Christ seriously.

[Diggindeeper]

Antichrist wars against Israel---'God's holy people', often misconstrued as Christians. Not to mention that there will be some who come to Christ during the Tribulation.

Then why on earth do you say Christians must be removed BEFORE the Tribulation and the AntiChrist??? If he only wars against Israel and NOT against the 'Christians', why not just leave you here????

I can't find one scripture that says 'some come to Christ during the Tribulation'. The Left Behind books say this. But just show us scripture, then I'll believe it. (There are no scriptures that tell us this.)

Both Revelation 16 and 19 describe the same events:

Israel as a nation has come to the realization that Jesus Christ, the one who was rejected earlier is their only hope. Jesus, the rejected Messiah, is Messiah and Lord. The nation Israel prays for his rescue from the surrounding nations.

As the armies of heaven descend, the Antichrist and False prophet are literally picked up from their location and thrown into the Lake of Fire. Those gathered from the nations against Israel melt away as Christ and the saints descend to the Earth. The blood from these armies flow throughout the land of Israel and birds are called to eat their remains. The souls are sent to Hades to await final judgment. The Messianic age is about to begin as the Messiah and his saints reign on earth.

What scripture tells this (below)will happen? Show us, PLEASE.

The nation Israel prays for his rescue from the surrounding nations.

There is nothing flawed in the Scriptures.

Those who rebel are influenced by Satan during his 'little season', just as Scripture teaches. Frankly, I think you need to spend time with God and His word about this.

Here you go again with these wild, fictionalized stories! SCRIPTURE please, that shows 'those gathered from the nations against Israel MELT AWAY as Christ and the saints descend to earth.' And (still looking at this below), if they MELT, there would be no blood to flow throughout the land of Israel. SCRIPTURES. SCRIPTURES. SCRIPTURES. Please?

Those gathered from the nations against Israel melt away as Christ and the saints descend to the Earth. The blood from these armies flow throughout the land of Israel

While the Millennium is a period of great restoration, seeing as the planet will have undergone tumultuous catastrophes, we will be involved in that along with the Lord. However, the New Earth is all God's doing and that takes place after the Millennium, and after the attempt of Satan to usurp Christ one last time, and after final Judgment! Read Revelation 21.

While the Millennium is a period of great restoration, seeing as the planet will have undergone tumultuous catastrophes, we will be involved in that along with the Lord.

There are no scriptures that say 'we will be involved in that restoration of the planet along with the Lord.' If there are...then show us. Furthermore, WHY would He want it all restored just to turn around and destroy it all and make a new one??? This does not even make sense in any way.

You keep telling us all these fictional stories, with no supporting scripture. Stop doing that, please. It only confuses people. They go hunting for supporting scriptures and can't find any. Because there are no scriptures to support these fantasized tales.

[billy-brown 2]

No one is ruling with Him yet. We are to receive our glorified bodies, and stand before Him at His Bema Seat for rewards and positions which we will work with and through in the Millennium. Right now the righteous are enjoying their Lord but they are not ruling with Him. He doesn't even have full rule yet, as He is still building His Church, and waiting for His time. Right now the enemy has a lot of control on Earth, and it is our job as Spirit-filled and Spirit-led Christians to wrest that place from him and take the authority of Christ over him.

It is the believer in the world that holds him at bay, disempowers him and casts him out where he/she encounters him by being obedient to the will of God and by interceding and taking his/her authority in Christ seriously.

However, if no one of faith is ruling with Christ yet, then we who are of faith are not Kings nor are we Priests--and the following passage from Rev. 1:6 is not true:

Rev. 1
4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,

5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—

6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

//

Rev. 1 (KJV)
4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

. . . has (hath) made . . . Yep.

But what is your understanding of this passage above?

[Desperaux]

However, if no one of faith is ruling with Christ yet, then we who are of faith are not Kings nor are we Priests--and the following passage from Rev. 1:6 is not true:



. . . has (hath) made . . . Yep.

But what is your understanding of this passage above?

Revelation 1:6
He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father. All glory and power to him forever and ever! Amen.


We have a mandate to uphold the Kingdom in the world, and to bring Jesus to the lost, and healing to the sick and life to the dead, standing in the gap for the needy, and to be the salt and the light of this world. Jesus rules in and through us.

[billy-brown 2]

Revelation 1:6
He has made us a Kingdom of priests for God his Father. All glory and power to him forever and ever! Amen.


We have a mandate to uphold the Kingdom in the world, and to bring Jesus to the lost, and healing to the sick and life to the dead, standing in the gap for the needy, and to be the salt and the light of this world. Jesus rules in and through us.

There we are then . .

And so, this brings us full circle to the OP again, because Satan can still do the following to us, yes (in bold)?

Rev. 12
7And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war,
8and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.
9And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

and this:

Rev. 12
17So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

However, only Jesus has ALL authority, yes?

Matt. 28
18And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

And therefore, Satan is on a "dog-lease" binding--there are indeed some things that he cannot do right now--here they are below:

Rev. 20
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,

8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

Yep.

[Desperaux]

There we are then . .

And so, this brings us full circle to the OP again, because Satan can still do the following to us, yes (in bold)?

If we aren't vigilant, we can be deceived.

However, only Jesus has ALL authority, yes?

Yes, and he has given it to us, His kids.

And therefore, Satan is on a "dog-lease" binding--there are indeed some things that he cannot do right now--here they are below:

Satan is not on a dog-leash. He operates within the limits of his own authority that Adam gave up to him in the beginning. He is not bound yet. He is still prowling round like a famished lion, looking for weaklings he can devour. We don't have to look very far, even on this board to see how successful he has been in his art of deception.

[divaD]

However, if no one of faith is ruling with Christ yet, then we who are of faith are not Kings nor are we Priests--and the following passage from Rev. 1:6 is not true:

Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

I would think the correct way to understand this is to see what other Scriptures say about it, so that one can discern the timing or at least the location. Jesus has basically made all believers immortal, except none of us are literally immortal yet. So I don't know why this couldn't be understood in the same sense.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

This verse gives the impression that one shall reign on the earth as kings and priests, and not that one is now reigning as them. Even if this argument doesn't float, it still indicates that this takes place on earth, and not in heaven. That of course presents a major problem for the souls in Rev 20, being they too are part of the 1st resurrection, especially if the 1st resurrection is to be understood as spiritual. IOW Revelation 5:10 would not be true for them, since they can't possibly be reigning on the earth if they're still souls in heaven.

Let me ask you this then, is there any reason to think Revelation 5:10 only means as in temporarily, and not as in forever?


Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Would you think folks wouldn't be reigning forever as kings? In your view, it seems that Revelation 5:10 is to be understood as in temporarily. So then, when one reads Rev 1:6, should one understand it like such?

Revelation 1:6 And hath made us TEMPORARY kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Does that really sound right?

[billy-brown 2]

If we aren't vigilant, we can be deceived.





Yes, and he has given it to us, His kids.





Satan is not on a dog-leash. He operates within the limits of his own authority that Adam gave up to him in the beginning. He is not bound yet. He is still prowling round like a famished lion, looking for weaklings he can devour. We don't have to look very far, even on this board to see how successful he has been in his art of deception.

LOL

Well, Satan is not on a physically literal dog-leash; he is not a dog, he is a fallen angel, yes?

I only used the phrase "dog-leash" to convey the nature of Satan's current binding: there are some things that he is allowed to do, and there are some things that he cannot do--and per these verses:

Rev. 20
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,

8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

Yep.

Satan's ability at DECEPTION is required to get the kings of the earth to assemble (or gather) for the war of the great God. In other words, they have to be deceived to get involved in this gathering:

Rev. 16
13And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;

14for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

15(“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.”)

16And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon.

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Rev. 19
19And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

20And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Now, why has this deception not happened yet? After all, Satan's other deceptions are ongoing during this age, yes?

(hint . . . hint . . .)

Rev. 20
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.

2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

[Desperaux]

LOL

Well, Satan is not on a physically literal dog-leash; he is not a dog, he is a fallen angel, yes?

I only used the phrase "dog-leash" to convey the nature of Satan's current binding: there are some things that he is allowed to do, and there are some things that he cannot do--and per these verses:

What is in your passage here that tells us what Satan is and is not allowed to do in this age?

Rev. 20
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,

8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

This is a non-starter.

Yep.

Satan's ability at DECEPTION is required to get the kings of the earth to assemble (or gather) for the war of the great God. In other words, they have to be deceived to get involved in this gathering:

What else is new?

Now, why has this deception not happened yet? After all, Satan's other deceptions are ongoing during this age, yes?

(hint . . . hint . . .)

It hasn't happened yet on that massive scale, apart from Hitler's demonic Third Reich, and other tyrants he has inhabited, because Jesus hasn't come back yet---duh!

[billy-brown 2]

What is in your passage here that tells us what Satan is and is not allowed to do in this age?

Well, we must "compare scripture with scripture" to explain this . . . here we go . . .

OK, there are only two ages--according to Jesus:

Luke 20
34Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage,
35but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

And you have agreed already that the "millennium" contains death.

Yep.

Death.

And therefore, the "millennium" is of "the first heaven and first earth" age--as implied here:

Rev. 21
1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.
2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,
4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

And so, we have two ages in the passage above: a new heaven and new earth and a first heaven and first earth, yes? Additionally, the first heaven and first earth has death in it, while the new heaven and new earth does not have death.

Indeed,

1) The "millennium" contains death . . . and

2) The "first heaven and first earth" contains death . . . and

3) The "this age" contains death . . . and

4) The "new heaven and new earth" does not contain death . . . and

5) The "that age" does not contain death . . . and



(Do you see what I am getting at . . . ?)

Thus, Satan's activity in deception is configured to the age in which death occurs. This means that the binding of Satan occurs in "this" age--the first heaven and first earth.

(go to the next post . . .)

[Desperaux]

Well, we must "compare scripture with scripture" to explain this . . . here we go . . .

OK, there are only two ages--according to Jesus:



And you have agreed already that the "millennium" contains death.

I agree with what Scripture says about it. The mortal in the Millennium will suffer death---not the Bride. We will already be in our changed, glorified existence.

And therefore, the "millennium" is of "the first heaven and first earth" age--as implied here:



And so, we have two ages in the passage above: a new heaven and new earth and a first heaven and first earth, yes? Additionally, the first heaven and first earth has death in it, while the new heaven and new earth does not have death.

Indeed,

1) The "millennium" contains death . . . and

2) The "first heaven and first earth" contains death . . . and

3) The "this age" contains death . . . and

4) The "new heaven and new earth" does not contain death . . . and

5) The "that age" does not contain death . . . and



(Do you see what I am getting at . . . ?)

Thus, Satan's activity in deception is configured to the age in which death occurs. This means that the binding of Satan occurs in "this" age--the first heaven and first earth.

(go to the next post . . .)

You are confused. The Millennium is not the New Earth.

[billy-brown 2]

(This is the continuation of the last post . . .)

It hasn't happened yet on that massive scale, apart from Hitler's demonic Third Reich, and other tyrants he has inhabited, because Jesus hasn't come back yet---duh!

LOL

Yep. Jesus has not returned yet. And this means that we have not had the complete number of martyrs to die as of yet per this passage either:

Rev. 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw

1) the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and

2) they came to life and reigned

with Christ

3) for a thousand years.

So, when and how is this martyrdom activity occurring? During a "binding" of Satan, yes?

Rev. 20
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.

2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

//

Rev. 20
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,

8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

And notice that Satan the dragon has been bound from deceiving nations (to gather for the war of the great day of God Almighty) in the verses above--and yet is still deceiving nations during our age also:

Rev. 13
1And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore.
Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.

2And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.

Interesting . . .

(go to the next post . . .)

[billy-brown 2]

I agree with what Scripture says about it. The mortal in the Millennium will suffer death---not the Bride. We will already be in our changed, glorified existence.

You are confused. The Millennium is not the New Earth.

LOL

Yep. That's right. The "millennium" is of the first heaven and first earth age, because that's the age which contains death, yes?

[Desperaux]

(This is the continuation of the last post . . .)



LOL

Yep. Jesus has not returned yet. And this means that we have not had the complete number of martyrs to die as of yet per this passage either:



So, when and how is this martyrdom activity occurring? During a "binding" of Satan, yes?

No---up to and during the Tribulation.

And notice that Satan the dragon has been bound from deceiving nations (to gather for the war of the great day of God Almighty) in the verses above--and yet is still deceiving nations during our age also:



Interesting . . .

I see nothing interesting about it. It is straightforward, and with your attempts at a cryptic posting style, you not only sound confused, but you confuse.