Satan is released and deceives the nations Rev 20:8

[John146]

I don't expect the Lord to always make sense to my fleshly mind. I believe what He says, nonetheless. There will be millions of people on earth who will need to make a choice between Satan and Christ, just as every other generation of humanity has had. THAT makes a whole lot of sense.

But it has never been the case that Christ has been on the earth ruling over it in all His glory during a time of peace. Despite conditions like that for a thousand years Satan would be able to influence more people to follow him than Christ could after a thousand years being on the earth in all His glory. If you're comfortable with holding to a view like that, so be it, but I don't find it to be reasonable at all.

[John146]

That can only be good. I had only made a suggestion, but if you want to take it as something other than that, it is your own prerogative.

It's a suggestion that one can only make if they actually know details about the other person and you don't know anything about me on a personal basis. You are not the one to tell others what they should do.

[Desperaux]

But it has never been the case that Christ has been on the earth ruling over it in all His glory during a time of peace. Despite conditions like that for a thousand years Satan would be able to influence more people to follow him than Christ could after a thousand years being on the earth in all His glory. If you're comfortable with holding to a view like that, so be it, but I don't find it to be reasonable at all.

He will! Satan won't be an issue during that period. What is unreasonable is taking the plain reading of the word and turning it inside out, making it into something else.

Satan will be bound, people! Jesus will reign with His saints for that thousand years. Those nations we govern will not know unrest as we know it today. But they will be faced with a decision once Satan is loosed and able to come and deceive them.

[Desperaux]

It's a suggestion that one can only make if they actually know details about the other person and you don't know anything about me on a personal basis. You are not the one to tell others what they should do.

And neither do you know about me enough to throw out and UNGODLY personal insult that I am arrogant. I will not retreat from what the Lord has opened my eyes to, no matter what you say. I am not alone in it.

[John146]

Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

I would think the correct way to understand this is to see what other Scriptures say about it, so that one can discern the timing or at least the location.

Why can't you just accept it for what it says? It's clearly speaking of something that was already a reality at the time it was written. It says "hath made", not "will make". Is it any different than what the following says:

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Peter refers to the church as "a royal priesthood". What's the difference between saying that and saying that Christ "hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father"? We are a royal priesthood right now, are we not? That means we are kings and priests right now.

[John146]

And neither do you know about me enough to throw out and UNGODLY personal insult that I am arrogant.

I'm not saying you are an arrogant person, I'm saying you are acting arrogantly in this thread. To try to tell someone else they need to spend time with God is a case of being arrogant. You are not in a position to say that about someone who you don't even know.

[Desperaux]

I'm not saying you are an arrogant person, I'm saying you are acting arrogantly in this thread. To try to tell someone else they need to spend time with God is a case of being arrogant. You are not in a position to say that about someone who you don't even know.

Opinions are like belly-buttons.

[John146]

Revelation 20 is about the Millennium, where Jesus will reign for that 1000 years and there will be peace, enforced by He who bears a rod of iron.

But how does your view fit with 2 Peter 3:10-13? That passage indicates that the new heavens and new earth will come about as a result of the earth being burned up at the Lord's coming. But you say it will come about as a result of a thousand year period of restoration after His coming. I don't see how that can be reconciled with 2 Peter 3:10-13. What exactly do you believe would be the purpose of a future earthly millennial kingdom?

[Diggindeeper]

Spend a 'thousand years' RESTORING.........only to then destroy it all and make a new one? ????????

[John146]

He will! Satan won't be an issue during that period.

And then in a short time he will be able to completely undo everything Christ has done the previous thousand years. Okay, sure.

What is unreasonable is taking the plain reading of the word and turning it inside out, making it into something else.

I agree. Thankfully, that's not what I'm doing.

Satan will be bound, people!

No one is saying otherwise. It's your understanding of his binding that I believe is flawed, not the scripture.

Jesus will reign with His saints for that thousand years. Those nations we govern will not know unrest as we know it today. But they will be faced with a decision once Satan is loosed and able to come and deceive them.

A decision between adhering to what they have learned and observed over the past thousand years (Christ in all His glory bringing in a time of peace, which almost everyone would love to see since almost everyone wants peace) compared to being influenced for a short time by Satan. And a number as the sand of the sea will decide that peace is overrated and choose Satan instead. Okay, sure.

[Desperaux]

But how does your view fit with 2 Peter 3:10-13? That passage indicates that the new heavens and new earth will come about as a result of the earth being burned up at the Lord's coming. But you say it will come about as a result of a thousand year period of restoration after His coming.

It isn't talking about the same thing. Peter is giving a nutshell description. The Day of the Lord will come, and THEN---in due course---Judgment.

The New Earth will be recreated by God after that.

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared.

[Desperaux]

A decision between adhering to what they have learned and observed over the past thousand years (Christ in all His glory bringing in a time of peace, which almost everyone would love to see since almost everyone wants peace) compared to being influenced for a short time by Satan. And a number as the sand of the sea will decide that peace is overrated and choose Satan instead. Okay, sure.

Yes. They will not have known the kind of deception that we are exposed to every day.

[John146]

It isn't talking about the same thing. Peter is giving a nutshell description. The Day of the Lord will come, and THEN---in due course---Judgment.

2 Peter 3:10-13 says that the day of the Lord itself will bring about the burning up of the heavens and the earth.

The New Earth will be recreated by God after that.

That's not what 2 Peter 3:10-13 says. That passage indicates that the earth will be burned up on the day of the Lord, not after the day of the Lord.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

That phrase "in the which" indicates that the text that follows it is what will occur when the day of the Lord comes. To say that won't occur until some time after the day of the Lord has come and gone contradicts what Peter said.

[John146]

Yes. They will not have known the kind of deception that we are exposed to every day.

They will also have known a time of peace for a thousand years which has never occurred before. But the short time of deception will trump the previous thousand years? What is the purpose of the thousand years then?

[Desperaux]

They will also have known a time of peace for a thousand years which has never occurred before. But the short time of deception will trump the previous thousand years? What is the purpose of the thousand years then?

The purpose of the thousand years apart from what God only knows, is that it fulfills the promise to Israel that the Messiah will reign as an earthly king.

The short time of massive deception will cause people to make a decision for or against Christ---for salvation---just as all humanity has ever had to do.