The Day of the Lord in that passage is God's Judgment.Originally Posted by John146
No things will get much worse when that happens
No, but believe it's about to start, watch out!
Yes, he's recently been released, watch out!
His little season is almost over ,watch out!
No way of knowning
Coffee Break
The Day of the Lord in that passage is God's Judgment.
Posting Freak
Yep . . . Yep . . . and . . . Yep . . .
You got it!
Desperaux,
So, what scriptures are you using to support that which I have emphasized in red bold type above? I can only assume they would be the same ones that I would use; after all, we agree on these things . . .
Of course, the items below deal with what we may not agree on:
And so, a question: What kind of Kingdom would this be; you know, where you say that Jesus would "govern the earth from Jerusalem" and so on? Did not Jesus say the following already?
And therefore, notice what Pilate said:John 18
36Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”
And notice what Jesus said:John 18
37aTherefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?”
John 18
37b . . . Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
Grace and peace,
Billy-brown 2
I Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
Clearly, what that is accomplishing now is adding more and more people to His kingdom every day.
But despite conditions like that for a thousand years a number as the sand as the sea would still rebel? I don't find that to be reasonable.They wouldn't understand or experience separation from God by sin, although they will have been taught all about it, as God in the form of Jesus Christ, and His saints will be right here governing perfectly.
Coffee Break
It doesn't matter whether or not anyone finds it reasonable. It is what the word of God tells us.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
And what is His judgment in that passage? Burning up the heavens and the earth, right? Which would include the wicked who are still alive on the earth at the time, right? And when does the day of the Lord occur? Doesn't Peter indicate that what he talks about in that chapter relates to the day of the Lord's coming (2 Peter 3:4)? That tells me that what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 will occur on the day Christ returns.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
No, the word of God doesn't tell us anything about a thousand year time period of peace on the earth. If you look at Rev 20 itself it says nothing about there being peace on the earth during the thousand years.
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Rev 20:6 ..., but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Rev 5:10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
This seems like the same idea...
Posting Freak
Sure it does, you just have to know where to look...
Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Isa 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
Isa 55:13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.
Isa 66:12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
Isa 66:13 As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
Eze 34:24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
Eze 34:25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
Eze 34:26 And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
Posting Freak
Saints,
John146 is asking us to look at these verses below--there's only 15 of them:
So, if you look at Rev. 20 . . . there's nothing about "peace on earth" there . . .Rev. 20
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Yes?
Grace and peace,
Billy-brown 2
I Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
I live here!
So, if you look at Rev. 20 . . . there's nothing about "peace on earth" there . . .
Yes?
Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
You're right, BB2, no peace in Rev 20...not. Let's see here then...hmmm...satan is locked away for 1000 years...satan is loosed after the 1000 years. Which period of time is likely to bring the most peace to the earth?
Let's say that a criminal is terrorizing someone, but then is locked up for a number of years, then released, only to continue terrorizing. Seriously, there wouldn't be peace while this criminal was locked up?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
But what does it mean? You didn't say what you think those are saying. The dead in Christ reign with Him in heaven and those of us who are alive reign with Him on the earth. It clearly indicates that believers reign now as kings and priests, according to Rev 1:5-6 and according to verses like 1 Peter 2:9 that say we are "a royal priesthood". Even Rev 5:10 says we have already been "made...kings and priests". And we are on the earth right now. So, since we are already kings and priests on the earth why would it be that we are not reigning even now?
As far as the dead in Christ, it's only their bodies that are dead so why wouldn't they also be reigning with Christ? The word "shall" does not have to refer to something that will only occur in the future. It can refer to something that is already a reality and will continue to be a reality into the future. Look at Rev 20:6. It says "they shall be priests of God and of Christ" and yet we can see that Rev 1:5-6 and Rev 5:10 talk about believers having already been made priests of God and of Christ. So, if you try to say that being priests of God and of Christ is not a current reality then you are not accepting what Rev 1:5-6 and Rev 5:10 say, IMO. And I think it only follows that if believers (both living and the dead in Christ) are currently priests of God and of Christ then it must be that we are all reigning with Christ right now.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
I was talking about Rev 20 itself so the place to look and see what Rev 20 itself says is...get this...Rev 20. And Rev 20 itself says nothing about the thousand years being a time of peace on the earth.
As far as the passages you quoted, some of them clearly refer to the New Testament time period. Take the following, for example:
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
This is speaking of Jesus and His name is already "called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.". It's already the case that He is upon the throne of David.
Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
It's already the case that He is the King of His kingdom and we are in it. What would make anyone think that this passage (Isa 9:6-7) is only referring to the future? I have no idea. A lack of understanding of the NT, maybe? That's the only reason I can think of offhand. Why would any Christian not know that Christ is the King now and we are already in Christ's kingdom?
Col 2:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
It's not a matter of comparing which scenario would have more peace. What is being claimed here is that the earth would be completely peaceful during the thousand years. Would Satan being literally locked up result in a completely peaceful earth? Do you think people only do evil things because of Satan?
James 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Looks to me like man is capable of evil as a result of his own lust and not just as a result of Satan's temptations.
Coffee Break
Satan being confined and Jesus as literal King would pretty much guarantee a peaceful Earth. As Jesus is said to rule with a rod of iron means He will govern with righteousness and justice and deal harshly with violators.
That is never in doubt.Looks to me like man is capable of evil as a result of his own lust and not just as a result of Satan's temptations.
Coffee Break
Other scriptures do. Jesus is well capable of bringing peacefulness to the Earth. Satan, a fallen angel, is no match for Him, and neither is naturally self-centered mankind.
Isaiah 65:22-25
22 They shall not build and another inhabit;
They shall not plant and another eat;
For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people,
And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain,
Nor bring forth children for trouble;
For they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the LORD,
And their offspring with them.
24 “ It shall come to pass
That before they call, I will answer;
And while they are still speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
The lion shall eat straw like the ox,
And dust shall be the serpent’s food.
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain,”
Says the LORD.
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