Satan is released and deceives the nations Rev 20:8

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The visions are divided by "after". Rev. 19 is where the last vision in Revelation starts. Rev. 20:1 does not start a vision. The "And" is just like other "And"s - they are steps within one vision time.

Rev. 19:1
And after...
v11
And I saw...
19:17
And I saw...

Rev. 20:1
And I saw...
v4
And I saw...
v11
And I saw...

-------During visions John will switch from hearnig things, seeing things, and explaining fine details of parts.
Watch for "after" to see a signal that a new vision has begun.
Rev. 15:5
And after...
Rev. 18:1
And after...

19:1
And after...

[vinsight4u8]

they lived

What does this mean?
Let the vision begin back at 19:1 and John is showing us the armies that came down from heaven. Both of them are made up of already changed saints. What happens to those armies of saints? They leave heaven, and only one army goes to the battle.
This army becomes those with the role of "they" in 20:4.
They sit and will be joined by the other army - that lived - but didn't fight.

Rev. 19/put on righteousness
one army - lives
so does the other army

they all come down from heaven

His army goes to the battle.
So this army lived, and must fight the beast before it can reign with Christ.

The other army- lived in chaper 19 also, but they had already gained their victory over the beast; so they will just wait, and when the battle is over-they will join up with His amry and reign with Christ.

The OT shows many verses as to a reign of the Lord on this earth before there will be no more death.

nations keep/ the feast of tabernacles /Zechariah 14
If they do not, then those won't get any rain.

Pslam 86:9
All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship...

Psalm 72:11

22:27
All ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD..

Isaiah chapter 2

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Rev. 2:22-27 shows the church must overcome and keep His works unto the end-before she will reign with Jesus over the nations.

Jesus must return before the church can reign with Him. This will be when He comes for the battle of Armageddon. Before this time, Jesus will come for the church at the 7th trumpet time.

Rev. 20:6 sets the resurrection of the just before the time of we reign with Him.

[John146]

Jesus Christ will create Jerusalem as a joy first. This is how the area of her land wlll be for the 1000 years, then after that time is when the new heavens and earth will be created.

Isaiah 65:18
But be ye glad...which I create...I create Jerusalem...

----------People can still die then, so the new heavens and the new earth time is not yet.

No, Isaiah 65:18 is directly related to Isaiah 65:17.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

God didn't mention creating new heavens and a new earth in verse 17 only to change the subject in the very next verse. No, He was directly relating His creating of the new heavens and new earth to the creating of Jerusalem as a place of joy. This is the same thing that John speaks about here:

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

This passage is very similar to Isaiah 65:17-19. Both mention the ushering in of the new heavens and new earth. Both mention Jerusalem, but Rev 21 makes it clear that it is the new Jerusalem that will appear upon the ushering in of the new heavens and new earth. So, the Jerusalem mentioned in Isaiah 65 should be understood as speaking of the new Jerusalem. Both passages talk about there being no more crying or sorrow at that time. Notice that Rev 21:4 talks about God wiping the tears from everyone's faces at that time. Is that not why "the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying" (Isa 65:19)? There's no basis for thinking that Isaiah 65:17-25 is not speaking of the same thing as Rev 21:1-7. Both are speaking of the ushering in of the new heavens and new earth, which will result in no more sorrow or crying and will result in God being with His people on the new earth.

[TalonKarrde_X]

So, the Jerusalem mentioned in Isaiah 65 should be understood as speaking of the new Jerusalem.

Nicely done....

[vinsight4u8]

<John 146

Isaiah 65 tells about the new heavens and the new earth - But -we are to first rejoice over how he creates Jerusalem a rejoicing. It is not the new Jerusalem from heaven.

v18
But be ye glad and rejoice...I create Jerusalem...

v19
...the voice of weeping no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

v21
They shall build houses...plant vineyards...

-This is about how Jerusalem will be recreated before the 1000 years.

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<John146

Isaiah 65
Verse 16 links to verse 17.

...the former troubles are forgotten...
v16
-Why?
For - Because
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For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth..the former shall not be remembered...
v17

But be ye glad and rejoice..I create Jerusalem...
v18

-----The rest of the words in the verses that follow would not be needed if this whole section referred to the new earth situation. We have already been told that former troubles are to be forgotten.

But - -this shows a new subject is now in view.

Just as if I said I went to Paris, but I bought this in London.
London is not in Paris.

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Isaiah 30:18
...that he may have mercy upon you...
v19
...Jerusalem...: thou shalt weep no more...
v22
Ye shall defile also the covering of thy graven images...

[Diggindeeper]

Jesus Christ will create Jerusalem as a joy first. This is how the area of her land wlll be for the 1000 years, then after that time is when the new heavens and earth will be created.

Isaiah 65:18
But be ye glad...which I create...I create Jerusalem...

----------People can still die then, so the new heavens and the new earth time is not yet.

But...this would make it appear that the New Jerusalem would be destroyed after your 1,000 years, along WITH the old earth and the old heavens.

Why would it descend from heaven to earth, to only be destroyed one thousand years later???? This is not logical.......and in this, I think you are wrong.

[vinsight4u8]

But...this would make it appear that the New Jerusalem would be destroyed after your 1,000 years, along WITH the old earth and the old heavens.

Why would it descend from heaven to earth, to only be destroyed one thousand years later???? This is not logical.......and in this, I think you are wrong.

Isaiah 65 is talking about the regular Jerusalem that will have seen war. God will create it, and some will still die there, but people will live long lives
No one will die in the New Jerusalem that will come down from heaven.
I'm not sure that we will plant vineyards on the new earth either.

What do you think of Isaiah 62 as to its timing?

[John 8:32]

Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

We are talking about the time of the second resurrection here. Tie in Ezekiel 37. After this comes the third resurrection, the lake of fire. Then comes Rev 21 and the New Jerusalem. A matter of timing.

[Desperaux]

But...this would make it appear that the New Jerusalem would be destroyed after your 1,000 years, along WITH the old earth and the old heavens.

Why would it descend from heaven to earth, to only be destroyed one thousand years later???? This is not logical.......and in this, I think you are wrong.

Yes, it will eventually be destroyed, for the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven with God to Earth, as well-described in Revelation 21.

[John146]

<John 146

Isaiah 65 tells about the new heavens and the new earth - But -we are to first rejoice over how he creates Jerusalem a rejoicing. It is not the new Jerusalem from heaven.

Yes, it is, as Rev 21 shows. Rev 21 speaks of the new Jerusalem in the same context as Isa 65:18-19 speaks of Jerusalem. Just because it's not called the new Jerusalem in Isaiah 65 doesn't mean it can't be referring to the new Jerusalem. The fact that it's something God says He will create shows that it's a new Jerusalem in view there. It wouldn't make sense to say He was going to create the old earthly Jerusalem. Do you think the new heavens and new earth are just passively mentioned in Isaiah 65:17 and then the subject changes to something else in verse 18? Why would that be? Doesn't Rev 21 tell us when the sound of weeping and crying will no longer be heard?

[vinsight4u8]

Where the voice had been of the weeping Jerusalem place is her that gets created for the wolf and the lamb get along time.

Isaiah 65:19
...the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her...

-This Jerusalem city has been weeping; but now she will no longer weep.
God is re-creating her.
The sinner will still die. The resurrection of the unjust as a group, has yet to occur.

62:1
For Zion's sake...until the righteousness thereof go forth...
v4
...neither shall thy land be termed any more Desolate...
v8
...I will no more give thy corn...meat for thine enemies...

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When God creates the new heavens and the new earth, it doesn't say that no more in her will be such and such; because those things, death and crying have never happened in her.

Daniel 9:24 shows that Israel gets her righteousness at the end of the 70 weeks.

Isaiah 60:18
Violence shall no more be heard in thy land...nor destruction...

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Zechariah 14:10
And the land shall be turned as a plain...south of Jerusalem: and it shall be iifted up, and inhabited in her place...
v11
...no more utter destruction...Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
v9
And the LORD shall be king over all the earth, in that day...
v16
...go up from year to year to worship the King...to keep the feast of tabernacles.
v17
And it shall be..whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.