Satan is released and deceives the nations Rev 20:8

[billy-brown 2]

Your conclusions about what I am saying are only filtered through your misapprehension, so yes, you are wrong. Jesus' rule will never end, although the earthly Jerusalem will be superseded by the New Jerusalem of God. The only limitations is what the word of God places, which is a thousand year period on earth---which is all I was taking about, yet you seem to want to attach something weird and strange to it.

Ok . . Cool

So, perhaps you should explain what you mean apropos "the thousand year period on earth"--and in relation to the OP . . .

[Raybob]

Jesus has yet to ascend His earthly throne where He will rule the nations for 1000 years. Remember?

Not according to the patriarch Daniel. Remember?:

Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
(Act 2:29-33)

Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
(Act 7:48-49)

[Desperaux]

Not according to the patriarch Daniel. Remember?:

Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
(Act 2:29-33)

Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
(Act 7:48-49)

You are in denial of the Millennial reign of Christ, predicted by Isaiah, Daniel, Micah, and Zechariah.

Daniel 7:13-14
¹³ As my vision continued that night, I saw someone like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient One and was led into his presence. ¹⁴ He was given authority, honor, and sovereignty over all the nations of the world, so that people of every race and nation and language would obey him. His rule is eternal—it will never end. His kingdom will never be destroyed.

[Diggindeeper]

You are in denial of the Millennial reign of Christ, predicted by Isaiah, Daniel, Micah, and Zechariah.

Daniel 7:13-14
¹³ As my vision continued that night, I saw someone like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient One and was led into his presence. ¹⁴ He was given authority, honor, and sovereignty over all the nations of the world, so that people of every race and nation and language would obey him. His rule is eternal—it will never end. His kingdom will never be destroyed.

...but...that scripture says not one word about a 'Millennial' reign of Christ. It says (and I quote!)

His rule is eternal—it will never end. His kingdom will never be destroyed.

That's what Raybob was saying too.

For someone to say a pre-kingdom happens before his eternal rule, they have to assume it and put it there.

[Raybob]

You are in denial of the Millennial reign of Christ, predicted by Isaiah, Daniel, Micah, and Zechariah...

On the contrary. The majority of OT prophecy was to the kingdom of God, that is within you, that Jesus brought at the cross. That is what you refer to as the "millenial reign of Christ", yet you deny it's existence.

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
(Rom 14:17)

[Desperaux]

On the contrary. The majority of OT prophecy was to the kingdom of God, that is within you, that Jesus brought at the cross. That is what you refer to as the "millenial reign of Christ", yet you deny it's existence.

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
(Rom 14:17)

The Millennial reign of Christ begins when Jesus comes and sets His feet upon the Mount of Olives. He will remain in Zion for a millennium, and rule the nations with His saints. You are in denial of, and misconstrue the many prophecies concerning this coming dispensation.

Isaiah 9:6
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”

Though elements of this prophecy have been somewhat fulfilled for the Church, they have never been completed for Israel (because of their rejection of Christ). God’s promises are sure. Jesus will govern in Israel as Prince of Peace.

A description of the actual millennium can be found in:

Isaiah 65:19-25
“And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD”.


Long life, health, safety, and blessing will be restored to Israel when the Lord returns.

[billy-brown 2]

Your conclusions about what I am saying are only filtered through your misapprehension, so yes, you are wrong. Jesus' rule will never end, although the earthly Jerusalem will be superseded by the New Jerusalem of God. The only limitations is what the word of God places, which is a thousand year period on earth---which is all I was taking about, yet you seem to want to attach something weird and strange to it.

Desperaux,

It is good that we agree that Jesus' rule will never end. This is really true.

And because this is true, it might be good to look into this a bit . . .

First, are you aware that Jesus' rule occurs in the midst of enemies?

Heb. 10
11Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.
14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

And the last of those enemies that Jesus' rule occurs in is death.

And so, until death is defeated, we will have death occuring--even as suggested here:

Rev. 20
4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Yep. (Did you see it?)

Indeed, the rest of the dead do not come alive until the "1000 years" are completed. And this is the unrighteous dead, yes? In other words, these would be some of the tares of Matt. 13, and the tares are gathered to be burned at the time when the wheat are gathered into the barn of the Lord--at harvest time.

And when is harvest time? Well, what did Jesus say? Here we are:

Matt. 13
36Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,

38and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;

39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.

40“So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.

41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,

42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

43“Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Yep. (Did you see it?)

Harvest time is at the end of the age--the age we live in currently.

And so, after this age ends, Satan is released for his "little season" of Rev. 20:8 and so on . . . but ends up being tossed into the second death quite swiftly. And the next age to come from that time will be the "new heavens and new earth" indeed. Why?

Well, because death will have been abolished at that point.

Yep.

And the "1000 years" has death in it . . . but the "new heavens and new earth" does not have death in it--as taught below:

Rev. 21
1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

2And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

3And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them,

4and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

[billy-brown 2]

You are in denial of the Millennial reign of Christ, predicted by Isaiah, Daniel, Micah, and Zechariah.

Daniel 7:13-14
¹³ As my vision continued that night, I saw someone like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient One and was led into his presence. ¹⁴ He was given authority, honor, and sovereignty over all the nations of the world, so that people of every race and nation and language would obey him. His rule is eternal—it will never end. His kingdom will never be destroyed.

Desperaux,

I feel that the scripture which contains the the "1000 years" (milliennium) should be treated with a bit more care; might we look at it again?

Rev. 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Ok.

This scripture does not concern a "thousand year reign of Christ" at all--because Christ's reign does not have a time limit on it; you have agreed with that already in this thread, yes?

After all, since His resurrection/ascension from the dead, Christ reigns forever--at YHWH's right hand.

And so, this one verse of Rev. 20:4 deals with martyrs of the Lamb and their activity of ruling with Christ. And remember, there are no martyrs of Christ that have died after the Second Coming of Christ, because the Second Coming of Christ has not happened yet.

Right?

So, these martyrs do not have glorified bodies yet, and thus cannot have complete kingdom consummation yet. In other words, they are of the "first heavens and first earth" where death occurs.

Indeed, the "millennium" has death in it--even as you suggest here:

A description of the actual millennium can be found in:

Isaiah 65:19-25
“And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD”.

[Desperaux]

Desperaux,

I feel that the scripture which contains the the "1000 years" (milliennium) should be treated with a bit more care; might we look at it again?



Ok.

This scripture does not concern a "thousand year reign of Christ" at all--because Christ's reign does not have a time limit on it; you have agreed with that already in this thread, yes?

After all, since His resurrection/ascension from the dead, Christ reigns forever--at YHWH's right hand.

And so, this one verse of Rev. 20:4 deals with martyrs of the Lamb and their activity of ruling with Christ. And remember, there are no martyrs of Christ that have died after the Second Coming of Christ, because the Second Coming of Christ has not happened yet.

Right?

So, these martyrs do not have glorified bodies yet, and thus cannot have complete kingdom consummation yet. In other words, they are of the "first heavens and first earth" where death occurs.

Indeed, the "millennium" has death in it--even as you suggest here:

Scripture does teach us of a period of 1,000 years where Jesus Christ will rule with His saints. You choose to deny it.

[Raybob]

The Millennial reign of Christ begins when Jesus comes and sets His feet upon the Mount of Olives.

Yes, it did, Halleluah!

He will remain in Zion for a millennium, and rule the nations with His saints.

Amen Halleluah!

[billy-brown 2]

Scripture does teach us of a period of 1,000 years where Jesus Christ will rule with His saints. You choose to deny it.

I don't really think I am denying it, actually; after all, the VISION scripture that is involved with the "1000-years" indicates that the martyrs live (while dead) and rule with Christ, yes? In other words, Christ's rule is forever (as you have agreed to already), but His rule is not the subject of Rev. 20:4; look at it carefully:

Rev. 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw

1) the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and

2) they came to life and reigned

with Christ

3) for a thousand years.

In other words, these are martyrs of the Lamb--and martyrdom is an important theme of the book of Revelation generally, yes? How many martyrs have died already at the hands of the beast?

Think about it . . .

[billy-brown 2]

The Millennial reign of Christ begins when Jesus comes and sets His feet upon the Mount of Olives. He will remain in Zion for a millennium, and rule the nations with His saints. You are in denial of, and misconstrue the many prophecies concerning this coming dispensation.

Isaiah 9:6
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”

Though elements of this prophecy have been somewhat fulfilled for the Church, they have never been completed for Israel (because of their rejection of Christ). God’s promises are sure. Jesus will govern in Israel as Prince of Peace.

Desperaux,

Let's look at one of the primary keys to understanding Rev. 20:6 (in bold below):

Rev. 20
6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Yep.

And so, any person who is "Blessed and holy" will not have a part in the second death, and any person who is "Blessed and holy" has a part in the first resurrection. Indeed, this would include ALL Christians of this current age--including the saints in this verse below:

Rev. 1:11b
. . . the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

And I feel that you are forgetting about these saints of old from the "seven churches" of Rev. 1:11--don't forget about them . . .

[billy-brown 2]

You are in denial of the Millennial reign of Christ, predicted by Isaiah, Daniel, Micah, and Zechariah.

Daniel 7:13-14
¹³ As my vision continued that night, I saw someone like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient One and was led into his presence. ¹⁴ He was given authority, honor, and sovereignty over all the nations of the world, so that people of every race and nation and language would obey him. His rule is eternal—it will never end. His kingdom will never be destroyed.

...but...that scripture says not one word about a 'Millennial' reign of Christ. It says (and I quote!)

His rule is eternal—it will never end. His kingdom will never be destroyed.

That's what Raybob was saying too.

For someone to say a pre-kingdom happens before his eternal rule, they have to assume it and put it there.

This . . . ^^^^^^^^^

[Cyberseeker]

Good question.

I voted "it's about to start" but thats just a guess; we cant really know. My take on this subject is that the "little season" is one and the same thing as the "times, time and half a time" which is mentioned in prophetic scripture. In other words, Daniel 7:25 and Rev 20:3 is the same period.

[John 8:32]

Originally Posted by Desperaux
The Millennial reign of Christ begins when Jesus comes and sets His feet upon the Mount of Olives.

Yes, it did, Halleluah!Amen Halleluah!

You speak of this as past tense, but it has yet to happen...

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Zec 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Pretty sure this has not happened yet, it would surely have made the nightly news.