Satan is released and deceives the nations Rev 20:8

[Desperaux]

Where does scripture teach that Jesus will ever have an earthly throne? What's wrong with the throne He's already on?

What could possibly be wrong with it? What is wrong is the understanding of men who deny that the scriptures plainly teach that there is a time period allotted to the King of Kings to rule the earth, promised by God.

The prophecies that God has provided are quite vast and detailed. There are those who would claim that the kingdom prophecies are only to be interpreted allegorically. That is, they attempt to say that all of these events are figurative and try to sweep their literal fulfillment under the rug.

Typically, these are those which teach the false doctrine that the church has forever taken Israel's place. Therefore, they despise the prophecies about the future prominence of the nation of Israel. While claiming to be more spiritual, they label as carnal those who believe the literal meaning of the kingdom prophecies.

But what could be more spiritual than faith, taking God at His Word? What could be more carnal than assuming that God did not mean what He said, and then trying to nullify His Word with the doctrine of men? They truly have a mountain of truth to try to conceal.

[Desperaux]

It seems like maybe you need to spend more time reading the New Testament, which tells us how to interpret those OT passages. The fulfillment of Daniel 7:13-14 is given here:

Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Compare these 2 passages and see for yourself. Does Eph 1:19-23 not say that He already ascended to "the Ancient One" and already has "authority, honor, and sovereignty over all the nations of the world"? It sure does.

Yes, the CHURCH, but we are addressing the post-Church age, where God's plan for the world have yet to be fulfilled as Christ the King.

[Desperaux]

If you include verses 17 and 18 you can see that is actually a description of the new heavens and new earth. What does Rev 21:1-7 say about the conditions there will be in the new heavens and new earth? Does it match your understanding of Isaiah 65:17-25?

It is not the same event.

[Desperaux]

No one here denies that. Not interpreting what that means the same way you do is not denying it. All some of us are denying is that you have the correct interpretation of what that means.

Yes, there is a whole lot of denial going on.

[Raybob]

This is a simple matter of erroneous interpretation. The Kingdom of God is both spiritual and physical. The physical Kingdom has yet to come.

According to you, it's physical. According to the bible, it's inside me. I prefer to believe the bible than to believe you, sorry.

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
(Luk 17:21)

[Diggindeeper]

Yes, the CHURCH, but we are addressing the post-Church age, where God's plan for the world have yet to be fulfilled as Christ the King.

It looks like the Dispensational theory is showing it's head. Now, there's a 'post-church age'.

But I find only this as a coming post-church time period:
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

If that takes a thousand years, its going to be quite uncomfortable.

[Raybob]

Yes, the CHURCH, but we are addressing the post-Church age, where God's plan for the world have yet to be fulfilled as Christ the King.

Post-church age???

Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
(Eph 3:21)

[billy-brown 2]

That is not the truth. The bible tells us that Jesus is Lord forever, yet it also tells us there will be a time set aside where He will literally be King on earth, ruling from Israel, and it is for one thousand years.

Desperaux and I are rarely on the same page, but on this one we agree. Christ will rule on the earth for 1000 yrs and technically not forever...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The comes...


Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

God the Father will be here on the earth and rule both the physical and spiritual creation.

Saints,

Can we discuss the OP more?



Remember?

(and this occurs after the "1000 years" yes?)

Saints,

This is where the OP dialectic can help us apropos the "1000 years" and so on--let's get back to the topic, yes?

I'm sure that we all remember that Satan is released after the "1000 years" to deceive nations to gather for the war mentioned in Rev. 20:8. What war is that? Well, let's allow Rev. 16 to tell us (in bold below):

Rev. 16
13And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;

14for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

15(“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.”)

16And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon.

Now, look at the deception accomplished by Satan and his demons as they go out to the kings of the whole world (in Rev. 16:14) to gather for the war of the day of God. Are not those kings (and their armies) mortal? And what about these kings (and their armies) in the verses below--are they not mortal as well?

Rev. 19
19And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

20And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Yep.

It appears that the kings of the earth (and their armies) are indeed mortal, because they were ALL killed by "Him who sat on the horse" of Rev. 19:19. Now, who is that? It is indeed

. . .THE WORD OF GOD--even our Immortal Lord and King Jesus Christ.

And so, when does this killing happen?

Well, when does Satan get released to go and deceive the nations to gather for the war of God? What does the vision say?

Rev. 20
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,

8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

Yep.

AFTER the "millennium"--and not before.

And when does the immortal King/Priest Christ Jesus come the second time? Is it not as taught here?

Rev. 19

11And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.

12His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.

13He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

14And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.

15From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.

16And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

//

19And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

Yep.

Jesus comes at the time of the great war of God--this is indeed a major part of His glorious Second Coming. And Jesus comes the second time ONLY--that's IT.

Now, if all of the above synthesis is true, then how could the "1000 years" begin after Christ comes the Second Time . . . as implied below?

The Millennial reign of Christ begins when Jesus comes and sets His feet upon the Mount of Olives. He will remain in Zion for a millennium, and rule the nations with His saints. You are in denial of, and misconstrue the many prophecies concerning this coming dispensation.

[Desperaux]

Post-church age???

Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
(Eph 3:21)

The Church is the Bride---she will be forever, but the earth years allotted to the Church will end. This is Bible 101.

[Desperaux]

Jesus comes at the time of the great war of God--this is indeed a major part of His glorious Second Coming. And Jesus comes the second time ONLY--that's IT.

Now, if all of the above synthesis is true, then how could the "1000 years" begin after Christ comes the Second Time . . . as implied below?

Jesus comes at a great time of war attempted against Israel. It has nothing to do with the release of Satan and the uprising he foments later. Jesus ends this attempt with His glorious and triumphant and fearsome coming. He lands on the Mount of Olives and there begins His 1000 year reign. The bible spells it out clearly for those with discernment.

I have no idea what tangent you have embarked upon, but it sure isn't based on Scripture.

[Diggindeeper]

Jesus comes at a great time of war attempted against Israel. It has nothing to do with the release of Satan and the uprising he foments later. Jesus ends this attempt with His glorious and triumphant and fearsome coming. He lands on the Mount of Olives and there begins His 1000 year reign. The bible spells it out clearly for those with discernment.

I have no idea what tangent you have embarked upon, but it sure isn't based on Scripture.

Billy-Brown laid out the scripture the way it tells that things will transpire.

The way you are looking at it would mean there would have to be another 1,000 years.....??? Actually, it has everything to do with the timing of the release of satan for a short time....

How can it be different, as you say, when scripture presents it differently? Maybe it would be wise for you to copy off his post above and copy yours. Then go away from the computer, sit down and number his, with the scriptures. Number it 1, 2, 3, etc. Then, hunt the scriptures that you can prove yours with and take your depiction above and with scriptures, number yours 1, 2, 3, etc.

It takes more than 'discernment'. And more than the way you have learned it. It takes understanding and wisdom and study.

[Desperaux]

Billy-Brown laid out the scripture the way it tells that things will transpire.

That is most definitely not true. It is only congruent with your own view---certainly not in any way that the Lord tells us in His word.

The way you are looking at it would mean there would have to be another 1,000 years.....??? Actually, it has everything to do with the timing of the release of satan for a short time....

What on earth...where do you get that from??? There is only one Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ. It begins when He steps foot on the earth with His saints, sends Satan and sends him to the pit , chained for those 1000 years of peaceful rule, and ends that period of rule when Satan is let loose for a short time to cause his typical trouble.

How can it be different, as you say, when scripture presents it differently? Maybe it would be wise for you to copy off his post above and copy yours. Then go away from the computer, sit down and number his, with the scriptures. Number it 1, 2, 3, etc. Then, hunt the scriptures that you can prove yours with and take your depiction above and with scriptures, number yours 1, 2, 3, etc.

You may think that you are being clever, but you are being rude. Maybe it would be good to read the Bible, and learn that there is only one glorious coming of Christ, and one Millennial Reign. You should agree with that, and if not, then it's back to the Bible for you all again.

It takes more than 'discernment'. And more than the way you have learned it. It takes understanding and wisdom and study.

I have all of those, thanks. It seems we are dealing with some who have a personal angle on what is in Scripture. We need to not have anything to do with that. We have to take it as it is given...that is where good study form, God's wisdom, and spiritual discernment are important for solid understanding.

[jeffweeder]

Maybe it would be good to read the Bible, and learn that there is only one glorious coming of Christ, and one Millennial Reign. You should agree with that, and if not, then it's back to the Bible for you all again.

I agree that there is only one glorious coming according to the Lords own word, but the Lord clearly teaches that it will be after the millenium, because only the righteous survive the second coming.

[Diggindeeper]

I agree that there is only one glorious coming according to the Lords own word, but the Lord clearly teaches that it will be after the millenium, because only the righteous survive the second coming.

Right. He is only returning once,(at the last trump!) not once secretly then again. That would be returning twice. And it really is true..only HIS survive his return. With this, the whole Bible fits like pieces of a puzzle that form the whole picture.

[Desperaux]

I agree that there is only one glorious coming according to the Lords own word, but the Lord clearly teaches that it will be after the millenium, because only the righteous survive the second coming.

Those who survive the Tribulation and the Second Coming will repopulate the Earth and make up the nations during the Millennium period. The Bible clearly says that Jesus comes before His Kingdom Reign. He has to come in order to set up His government. He has no reason to come after, at which time the Earth will be destroyed and God will make all things new, and come down with His city to live among us.


The time line:

* Satan will be loosed from the abyss at the end of the 1,000 years to tempt the people who have been born during this time. Even though they have seen Jesus in Jerusalem (Zech 14:16), they will refuse to follow Him. Zech 14:17-18

* They even try, through a final revolt, to overthrow His kingdom. Rev 20:7-9

* Satan is thrown into the lake of fire. Rev 20:10

* GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT. The spirits of all the wicked from all time are released from hell (Hades) to be judged. Rev 20:12. They receive their resurrected bodies according to their deeds, Rev 20:13, John 5:29, Acts 24:15, and are cast into the lake of fire (Gehenna) Rev 20:15, Mt 10:28, 18:8-9

* God creates New Heaven & New Earth. Isa 65:17,66:22, 2 Pet 3:13, Rev 21:1