Satan is released and deceives the nations Rev 20:8

[vinsight4u8]

Micah 3:12
Therefore shall Zion be lowed as a field, and Jerusalem become heaps...

4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain...shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall low unto it.
v3
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off...
beat their sword into plowshares...
v5
...every one in the name of his god...

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I see Isaiah 65 as foretelling how one day God will have a new heavens and a new earth. We are to look forward to when He creates them. But for right now - as to the 1000 years, we can rejoice -as to having just a glimpse of what will come; for then He will create Jerusalem anew first. It doesn't say that all over the world the beasts get along. It links certain things as to happening on His holy mountain.
It doesn't say that other nations won't have the sound of weeping in them.

[vinsight4u8]

Amos 9:11
In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen...raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old.
v14
...build the waste cities...plant vineyards...

Isaiah 65:21
...plant vineyards...

[John 8:32]

Micah 3:12
Therefore shall Zion be lowed as a field, and Jerusalem become heaps...

4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain...shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall low unto it.
v3
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off...
beat their sword into plowshares...
v5
...every one in the name of his god...

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I see Isaiah 65 as foretelling how one day God will have a new heavens and a new earth. We are to look forward to when He creates them. But for right now - as to the 1000 years, we can rejoice -as to having just a glimpse of what will come; for then He will create Jerusalem anew first. It doesn't say that all over the world the beasts get along. It links certain things as to happening on His holy mountain.
It doesn't say that other nations won't have the sound of weeping in them.

Oh yes it does,

Christ's Kingdom will rule over the entirety of the world...

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Mountain = Nation or Kingdom
Hill = Smaller Nation or Kingdom

Oh yes it does say that.

[vinsight4u8]

The Gentile kingdoms are not gone when the 1000 years begins. Egypt and other nations must come to Jerusalem to worship the King, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. If they don't, they won't get rain on their land. The wonderful things as to how the kingdom of Israel will be as to Jerusalem will no longer weep, is only for the holy mountain of Zion area, it is not for all nations on the planet then. Some of the nations' people will have become servants to Israel and have drought if they don't keep the feast of tabernacles.

KJV
Isaiah 65:18
....Jerusalem...
v19
...my people...the voice of weeping heard no more in her...
v20
There shall be no more thence an infant of days...
v21
And they shall build houses...inhabit them...
v22
...the days of my people...
v23
They shall not labour in vain...the seed of the blessed...their offspring...

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There won't be marrying in the new earth.

[billy-brown 2]

Yes, of course. And something we can both actually agree 100% on as well.

Yay!





That felt really good . . .

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[billy-brown 2]

This is the continuation of the last post . . .)

If you went with that tho, one may as well say satan has always been bound. Clearly, in the book of Job, satan couldn't do anything the LORD did not first permit. So what makes this binding in the 1000 years so different in your view?

Well, remember that Satan had access to heaven and earth before Jesus came the first time--as this passage from Job 1 suggests (Job was written before Jesus came, yes?):

Job 1
6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
7The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.”

But when Jesus received the IEKDG from the Father according to Daniel 7:13-14, it brought the salvation, the power, the Kingdom of God, and the authority of His Christ into play. And apparently, it took KINGDOM POWER to cast Satan OUT of heaven for good; he only has access to the earth now:

Rev. 12
9And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,
“Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

Indeed, Satan and his angels LOST the war against Michael and his angels and so on:

Rev. 12
7And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war,
8and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.

Yep. And so, Satan knows that he has a short time before his eventual demise. But that's all he knows about it--he is unaware COMPLETELY as to HOW his eventual demise will occur. And besides this, Satan has NO access to heaven at all right now—he CANNOT GO THERE according to Rev. 12:9. Thus, Satan is in the earth only, and is in various activities as a part of his “short time”--like persecution and so on (for example):

Rev. 12
11“And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.
12“For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them. Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”
13And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child.

And so, let's go back to the verse of the OP . . .

(go to the next post . . .)

[billy-brown 2]

(this is the continuation of the last post . . .)

And so, let's go back to the verses of the OP:

Rev. 20
7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan

1) will be released from his prison,

8 and

2) will come out to deceive the nations

which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog,

3) to gather them together for the war;

the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

And so, whatever we think of the thousand years, we must conclude that the activity in bold above occurs after the thousand years--and during the "short time" of Satan' little season:

Rev. 20
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

And so, a question: Why must Satan be released for his "short time" of Rev. 20:3 and 8 anyways?

Well, the answer is simple: Satan has been wanting another shot at God every since he LOST the war of the angels. And when we should expect that "shot" to occur immediately after Satan had been cast out of heaven, what does God do? Well, God binds him until "1000 years" have concluded. Indeed, God seems to be saying with this binding (in so many words) the following in His own mind:

NOPE--I will not allow you to have a shot against my forces yet: indeed, when I allow it to occur, it will signal your complete and FINAL demise in the lake of fire.

And thus, Satan has been "bound by GOD specifically to be released by GOD" to an IMMEDIATE destruction that God is in COMPLETE control of. Indeed, God is not going to give Satan the luxury of controlling his own destruction in the lake of fire (the second death). Now why?

Because "the authority of His Christ" trumps the "deception power" of Satan. In other words, Satan is bound from doing some things; notice the TRAP God sets up in the scriptures below for Satan's deceived armies as well as Satan himself at the return of Christ Jesus:

Rev. 20
9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev. 19
19And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
20And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

And the "Him who sat on the horse" is the King of Kings--our Lord Jesus Christ: THE WORD OF GOD.

Yep.

And so, this is some of what I meant when I mentioned all of the following in a previous post:

. . . the goal of the "1000 years" is to configure the eventual eradication of Satan to the complete control of YHWH. And this has been going on throughout our age--the age we both live in--for a long time.

Yep.

In other words, our God has commanded John the Revelator to let all of the saints observe the superiority of YHWH's cosmic gamesmanship against Satan; this is one of the reasons for the writing of the book of Revelation (especially Chapter 20). One of the things we should observe in this is that Satan can not even initiate his own doom in the Lake of Fire; it is controlled over the "1000 years" in every way by YHWH.


Therefore, according to the applicable verses, Satan cannot begin to deceive nations to gather FOR a war until he is released BY YHWH from the "binding" to do so. And when we should expect there to be an abundance of fighting and so on, YHWH simply devourers by FIRE the rebel armies of the nations (Gog and Magog) that have been DECEIVED during Satan's little season to gather against the saints and the beloved city, and casts Satan in the Lake of Fire. And YHWH is in complete control of every bit of this destruction "set up" of Satan from beginning to end.

But of course, Satan thinks he is going to win in the end still. However, Satan is self-deceived; he is unaware of a LOT of things--after all, he is not omniscient nor omnipresent. And so, the "1000 years" represents the time that Satan's has been given by YHWH to develop a sufficient amount of arrogance and pride to even think that he can defeat YHWH at the end of our age.

He must be kidding . . .


No way . . .

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[billy-brown 2]

This is a false apprehension of Scripture. We, His people will not have need of marriage or the act of marriage because we will already be glorified and changed into incorruptible bodies at the furst resurrection. During the ensuing Millennial Age there will be mortals living on earth that we will be governing! These people will be marrying and repopulating the Earth.

There is another era you are forgetting about, which comes after the Millennium, and after the GWT Judgment---the New Earth. Everyone who remains after that point will be glorified.

Well, the New Earth will have an accompanying New Heaven, yes? And there will be no death there. And actually, one of the keys in all of this is to look at the words of Jesus Christ Himself:

John 12
44 And Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me.
45 “He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me.
46 “I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness.
47 “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 “He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
49 “For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
50 “I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.”

John 6
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.
36 “But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe.
37 “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
38 “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
39 “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

Now, it seems to be evident here in John 12:48 that the "sayings" of Jesus will judge those who do not obey him in faith--and at the "last" day. Also, Jesus will raise up His saints at the "last" day (as taught in John 6 above).

In other words, a time is coming for judgment and salvation. When will that time be? At the "last" day.

Yep.

Indeed, at the "last" day, there will be judgment for unbelievers and immortality for believers. This is what Jesus taught.

And Jesus taught the following also:

Matt. 13
24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field.
25 “But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away.
26 “But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also.
27 “The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’
28 “And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’
29 “But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them.
30 ‘Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”

Now, notice here that Jesus is "gathering" the tares (the wicked) and the wheat (the righteous) at the same time: harvest time. So, how could "harvest time" not be at "the last day?" After all, Jesus indicates that "harvest time" is at the "end of the age" (i. e., the age we live in now) and so on per Jesus' own interpretation of the Matt. 13 parable below:

Matt. 13
36 Then He (Jesus) left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,
38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;
39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
40 “So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
41 “The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 “Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Now, in all of these scripture passages in this post from Jesus above, two (2) ages are implied only--and without so much of a little hint of "chiliastic" expression from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (in a reference to the so-called "thousand year reign" and so on). I feel that this is a real problem for your view. Do you agree?

[David Taylor]

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Please continue this thread on the OP topic of Satan is released and deceives the Nations.

[Desperaux]

Now, in all of these scripture passages in this post from Jesus above, two (2) ages are implied only--and without so much of a little hint of "chiliastic" expression from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (in a reference to the so-called "thousand year reign" and so on). I feel that this is a real problem for your view. Do you agree?

No...........................

[billy-brown 2]

No...........................

Well, the only reason I mentioned the problem is that everything in these verses of Rev. 20 and 19 happens after the "millennium"--and features the "second coming" of HIM who sits (sat) on the horse:

Rev. 20
7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev. 19
19And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
20And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

And the second coming of Him who sat on the horse (Jesus the WORD OF GOD) happens ONCE--and is not all of this congruent with the following below?

II Thess. 1
6For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
7and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,
8dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
10when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.

as well as this?

Matt. 13
36 Then He (Jesus) left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,
38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one;
39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.
40 “So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age.
41 “The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,
42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 “Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Yes?

[Desperaux]

Well, the only reason I mentioned the problem is that everything in these verses of Rev. 20 and 19 happens after the "millennium"--and features the "second coming" of HIM who sits (sat) on the horse:



And the second coming of Him who sat on the horse (Jesus the WORD OF GOD) happens ONCE--and is not all of this congruent with the following below?



as well as this?



Yes?

Are you claiming that Jesus comes after the Millennium?

[billy-brown 2]

Are you claiming that Jesus comes after the Millennium?

Well, I don't know that I am claiming that; however, we can put "two and two" together, yes?

After all, if

1) Satan is released from the binding after the "1000 years" to deceives nations to gather for a war--and
2) if that "war" requires engagement with the second coming Him who sat on the horse (Jesus the WORD OF GOD),

then "HIM who sat on the horse" (Jesus the WORD OF GOD) would have to be involved in a "postmillennial" second coming.

. . . postmillennial . . . (Is that a word?)

Yep . . .

[Desperaux]

Well, I don't know that I am claiming that; however, we can put "two and two" together, yes?

I can add 2 + 2, but I am not sure about yourself. Jesus will already have returned and been reigning for 1000 on Earth. He doesn't come again a THIRD TIME!

After all, if

then "HIM who sat on the horse" (Jesus the WORD OF GOD) would have to be involved in a "postmillennial" second coming.

. . . postmillennial . . . (Is that a word?)

Yep . . .

Jesus will have come on a horse a thousand years before that, along with His saints. There is no post-millennial coming.

[billy-brown 2]

I can add 2 + 2, but I am not sure about yourself. Jesus will already have returned and been reigning for 1000 on Earth. He doesn't come again a THIRD TIME!



Jesus will have come on a horse a thousand years before that, along with His saints. There is no post-millennial coming.

Well, we can both count, yes?

And so, how is the fire in this passage:

II Thess. 1
6For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
7and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,
8dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
10when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.

different from the fire in this one?

Rev. 20
7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,
8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.
9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Is it not the same fire from heaven? And at the coming of Christ the second time?