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    What does it mean to say that Revelation is symbolic?

    I often come across commentaries on the book of Revelation that argue against taking a particular image literally on the grounds that all or most of the images throughout the book are symbolic. Simon J. Kistemaker’s remark on the millennium is typical: “… a literal interpretation of this number [the thousand years] in a book of symbolism and especially in this chapter filled with symbols is indeed a considerable obstacle… It is therefore more in line with the tone and tenor of Revelation to interpret the term metaphorically (Revelation, 535).” Notice in particular the way that he uses the words “symbolism” and “metaphorically” to mean basically the same thing, i.e. non-literal.

    What does it mean to say that something is symbolic? Unfortunately, that term has been stretched and twisted to mean almost anything anyone wants it to mean, and for that reason its wide usage in academic writing has often functioned like a Trojan horse, carrying inside whatever assumptions the user would rather not address head on. So the question now arises whether the term has been spread too thin to be of any real use. I don’t believe so. It seems to me that its absence would create a more awkward gap in critical vocabulary than its presence, particularly in regards to the discipline of exegesis. For this reason it is not only worthwhile, but actually imperative, to make some attempt at its recovery.

    Returning to our case study, Kistemaker appeals to the predominantly symbolic character of Revelation as a reason to understand the “thousand years” non-literally, and then goes on to call the term a metaphor. This is a classic non sequitur. Many commentators use all three of those words more or less synonymously when dealing with Revelation, but such looseness with language often results in muddled exegesis at crucial points throughout the book. The visionary medium of Revelation is not mostly metaphorical, but it is entirely symbolical. At first glance this may seem like splitting proverbial hairs, but it’s actually a very important distinction. Let me explain.

    Although they are regularly used interchangeably, metaphor and symbol are in fact two distinct categories. A metaphor is a type of speech in which something from one category (the referent) is explained by being implicitly compared with something from another category (the image). A symbol, on the other hand, is anything that is representative or emblematic of something else. Any object, action or expression that evokes a world of meaning beyond its initial subject is “symbolic”. There is some overlap between these definitions, but in order to avoid confusion we must recognize at least two major differences.

    First, unlike metaphors, symbols are not strictly rhetorical. A symbol can be an object, and action, or an expression. A nation’s flag is a symbolic object; it represents the nation itself. Burning a nation’s flag is a symbolic action; it represents the downfall of the nation. In the first century AD, the temple in Jerusalem was an object that carried a great deal of symbolic meaning for the nation of Israel. It spoke in particular of God’s covenant with Israel and his desire to dwell with them. When Jesus turned over the moneychanger’s tables inside the temple he was performing a symbolic action that spoke of the nation’s downfall. Metaphors, on the other hand, are a strictly verbal affair: they imply a world of meaning specifically by describing something through the non-literal use of something else as a word-picture.

    Which brings us to the second distinction. This is what Kistemaker and other commentators often forget when they appeal to the highly symbolic character of Revelation. Unlike metaphors, which are always non-literal, to say that something is symbolic does not necessarily mean that it is non-literal. Rather, it simply means that it is representative or emblematic of something else. John addresses his vision to seven churches as symbolic representatives of the whole community of Christ worldwide, but that doesn’t change the fact that these were seven historical congregations located in modern-day Turkey. Yet despite this obvious distinction, many commentators still make a superficial appeal to the highly symbolic character of Revelation as a reason for interpreting, say, the “seven kings” of 17:10 as a non-literal number of Roman Emperors, even though this is unsustainable in light of the specific qualifiers which John places on the sixth and seventh kings and at a more basic level it confuses the visionary image (seven heads) with the referent of that image (seven kings). To simply recognize the prevalence of symbolism in Revelation does not give reason for interpreting everything in a non-literal fashion.

    On the other hand, though, we must note the particular character of Revelation’s symbols as visionary symbols. Revelation is not primarily metaphorical because it is not a purely rhetorical work, but first and foremost a revelatory experience in which John himself was a participant. The whole book is symbolic in the sense that it was “signified” to John in a vision, as the introduction says in 1:1. It’s not a direct transcription of history written in advance; it’s the account of a dramatic presentation which was put on display for John in heaven. Therefore all of the images in the book must first be understood with this visionary mediation in mind, which means that the common default to a “literal” reading (i.e. the one-for-one identification of the images with their referents) is in effect to skip a step in the interpretive process by failing to recognize what sort of literature we’re dealing with.

    To read Revelation with appropriate sensitivity, we must always distinguish between what John saw (the visionary image) and what that refers to (the historical reality), and we must seek to discern the level of correspondence between the two. In fact, the visionary symbols of Revelation have no less than four different parts: (1) what the author experienced (in this case, the visionary world unveiled to John while he was in the Spirit), (2) what the author conveyed to his audience (in this case, what the Angel told John to write down for the churches in Asia), (3) what the author’s conveyed experience refers to in the real world (in this case, a near-impending crisis which the churches are called to overcome), and (4) the implied meaning or significance which the author’s conveyed experience carries with it (in this case, the connotation of the imagery throughout the vision, e.g. the theological significance of the lamb, beast, harlot, etc).

    The reason it’s so important to recognize and be conscious of these different parts throughout Revelation and other visionary literature like it is that without such an awareness the different parts are too often either collapsed onto one another or ignored entirely, which results in a half-baked exegesis of any given image. As a case study, imagine that someone asks you what Revelation 5:6-8 means. You could respond by saying (1) that it means John saw a slain lamb, (2) that John wrote to the seven churches in Asia about his vision of a slain lamb (3) that it refers to Jesus, or (4) that it speaks of the significance of Jesus’ death and resurrection. The question was phrased in a rather vague way, and all of these answers communicate in different degrees what the text of Revelation 5:6-8 means, according to different parts of a visionary symbol.

    Unfortunately, however, interpreters often acknowledge only one or two parts of a visionary symbol when they speak of what any given passage “means”. For instance, literalists regularly collapse the first and fourth parts (the visionary experience and the larger meaning or significance) into the third part (what the experience refers to in the real world), and so they boldly proclaim that an image such as the binding of the dragon must speak of a literal, premillennial incarceration of Satan, as if Satan was actually a dragon and John was simply witnessing history in advance. On the other hand, though, idealists are often guilty of collapsing the third part (what the experience refers to in the real world) into the fourth part (the implied meaning or significance that the experience carries), and so they often speak of the meaning of an image as timeless and applicable to the church’s whole experience between Jesus ascension and his return, without any one specific referent. The error of both of these extremes stems from a fundamental misunderstanding as to what the visionary symbolism of Revelation actually is and how the different parts function to produce the multiple levels of meaning that we find in every image throughout the book.

    This may seem overly complicated, but we’ve become so entrenched in oversimplifications and ambiguities that we are driven to take this one step at a time and not take anything for granted. Interpreting Revelation, or any literature from a culture other than our own, takes great care and is always a matter of delicate subtlety. The kaleidoscopic images of Revelation serve to say something meaningful about reality which could not be easily said by describing it in prose, and it’s that great wealth of meaning which makes the sometimes difficult task of exegesis worth all the labor and so much more.

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    Re: What does it mean to say that Revelation is symbolic?

    Fantastic post. I think you've done an excellent job of properly explaining the fundamental concept of the approach taken in presenting the message to John, and his method of conveying it to us.

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    I have to concur. We have some excellent scholars on this forum but they too often lose the reader by the use of their "University Terminology." This is a well written post without making it difficult for the average English speaker. I would sum this explanation up using the first verse or Revelation.

    "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

    The things that must "come to pass" are obviously real occurrences future to about 95 AD. They are "signified" by certain symbolisms. Vine tells us to use it as; "to give a sign', "to indicate", "to signify," as it is used in John 12:33; John 18:32; John 21:19; Acts 11:28; Acts 25:27; Rev. 1:1, where perhaps the suggestion is that of expressing by signs. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words)

    Now in John 12:32-33 for instance; "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. he said, signifying what death he should die." On reading this we are immediately transported back to John 3:14 and Numbers Chapter 21. Here our Lord is the fulfillment of the Brass (Bronze) Serpent. This is clearly a symbol and not a metaphor. Its symbolism is rich and explanatory. Brass symbolizes judgement as the brass censors of Korah's rebels were used for the altar. And the issue of being put up on a tree is one of the few God-given loopholes in the Law of Moses. The man who was put on a tree and thus made a curse, did not have to be guilty. A brass serpent looks like a serpent but does not have the venom, or nature, of a true serpent. Just by looking on it one could have the venom coursing through one's own blood annulled. But even more than this, Numbers 21:9 tells us that the man who looked upon it "lived." This is in accordance with the whole theme of John's Gospel; "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:30-31).

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    Thanks guys. It's good to find some agreement. Honestly, I thought my post would have generated more debate, but I'm guessing the reason it hasn't is more because of its not-so-friendly length than because of a lack of disagreeable content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walls View Post
    I would sum this explanation up using the first verse or Revelation.

    "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

    The things that must "come to pass" are obviously real occurrences future to about 95 AD. They are "signified" by certain symbolisms. Vine tells us to use it as; "to give a sign', "to indicate", "to signify," as it is used in John 12:33; John 18:32; John 21:19; Acts 11:28; Acts 25:27; Rev. 1:1, where perhaps the suggestion is that of expressing by signs. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words)

    Now in John 12:32-33 for instance; "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. he said, signifying what death he should die." On reading this we are immediately transported back to John 3:14 and Numbers Chapter 21. Here our Lord is the fulfillment of the Brass (Bronze) Serpent. This is clearly a symbol and not a metaphor. Its symbolism is rich and explanatory. Brass symbolizes judgement as the brass censors of Korah's rebels were used for the altar. And the issue of being put up on a tree is one of the few God-given loopholes in the Law of Moses. The man who was put on a tree and thus made a curse, did not have to be guilty. A brass serpent looks like a serpent but does not have the venom, or nature, of a true serpent. Just by looking on it one could have the venom coursing through one's own blood annulled. But even more than this, Numbers 21:9 tells us that the man who looked upon it "lived." This is in accordance with the whole theme of John's Gospel; "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:30-31).
    This was a great summary!

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    Re: What does it mean to say that Revelation is symbolic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthehitmanhart View Post
    Thanks guys. It's good to find some agreement. Honestly, I thought my post would have generated more debate, but I'm guessing the reason it hasn't is more because of its not-so-friendly length than because of a lack of disagreeable content.
    It is too long and I think the way you word things is above most people's heads. I think you need to learn to communicate in a way that more people can understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    It is too long and I think the way you word things is above most people's heads. I think you need to learn to communicate in a way that more people can understand.
    Well, there are some things that can't be said in two sentences, so if a thoughtful post longer than a few paragraphs doesn't conform to the standard of forum culture, I would suggest that it's the culture that needs to change, not the length of the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthehitmanhart View Post
    Well, there are some things that can't be said in two sentences, so if a thoughtful post longer than a few paragraphs doesn't conform to the standard of forum culture, I would suggest that it's the culture that needs to change, not the length of the post.
    I wasn't trying to offend you, just trying to offer some constructive criticism, but I can see it wasn't taken very well. So be it. You apparently want everyone else to somehow be at the same intellectual level as you. I don't think that's a fair expectation.

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    Re: What does it mean to say that Revelation is symbolic?

    Hitman,

    Since the book of Revelation was written to the 7 Asia churches, I often wonder if those particular saints had the same difficulties we seem to have today with hearing what the Spirit is saying thereby--and as you are suggesting in the OP.

    Great post, by the way . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    I wasn't trying to offend you, just trying to offer some constructive criticism, but I can see it wasn't taken very well. So be it.
    No offense taken. I simply disagree with the premise of your criticism. I understand that the length of my posts might discourage some fast-track browsers from engaging with the content, but that simply uncovers the deteriorating literacy of our modern age. The cultural norms of discourse on the internet are not adequately suited to learning anything worthwhile. Conforming to a lazy, tweet-sized expectation of writing does not provide an anecdote to the growing problem of illiteracy in our culture; it merely colludes with it. Pertaining to the subject of this thread, since the book of Revelation wasn't written in 140 characters, we shouldn't expect to be able to have a constructive dialog about it in anything less.

    You apparently want everyone else to somehow be at the same intellectual level as you. I don't think that's a fair expectation.
    Actually, it's not as much about intellect as it is interest. If you're interested in something, you'll read about it. If you're not, you won't. Everyone writes within a particular community of discourse, whether politics or music or gaming or whatever. You name it; it has its own particular culture and its own particular language. Since I write as someone interested in understanding Scripture, I expect that someone else who is interested in understanding Scripture will take an interest in what I write. If you're interested in the subject you'll take the time to learn the language appropriate to the subject. And that's not to say that everyone will be able to understand every detail of the OP, or even that I conveyed everything as effectively as I could. But if the average reader is truly interested in the subject they should at least be able to comprehend the general thrust of the OP. It's not mostly a matter of intellect.

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    Re: What does it mean to say that Revelation is symbolic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthehitmanhart View Post
    No offense taken. I simply disagree with the premise of your criticism. I understand that the length of my posts might discourage some fast-track browsers from engaging with the content, but that simply uncovers the deteriorating literacy of our modern age. The cultural norms of discourse on the internet are not adequately suited to learning anything worthwhile. Conforming to a lazy, tweet-sized expectation of writing does not provide an anecdote to the growing problem of illiteracy in our culture; it merely colludes with it. Pertaining to the subject of this thread, since the book of Revelation wasn't written in 140 characters, we shouldn't expect to be able to have a constructive dialog about it in anything less.



    Actually, it's not as much about intellect as it is interest. If you're interested in something, you'll read about it. If you're not, you won't. Everyone writes within a particular community of discourse, whether politics or music or gaming or whatever. You name it; it has its own particular culture and its own particular language. Since I write as someone interested in understanding Scripture, I expect that someone else who is interested in understanding Scripture will take an interest in what I write. If you're interested in the subject you'll take the time to learn the language appropriate to the subject. And that's not to say that everyone will be able to understand every detail of the OP, or even that I conveyed everything as effectively as I could. But if the average reader is truly interested in the subject they should at least be able to comprehend the general thrust of the OP. It's not mostly a matter of intellect.


    Let's set aside about the the length of the OP. Let's say that it was a little shorter in length. I would still have to wonder who your targeted audience is when you make your posts? If you're speaking over some of our heads, and even tho some of us may have found this topic to have been of interest otherwise, then aren't you choosing whom you want to discuss these things with, and not everyone would be invited to join in? Are you mainly wanting to discuss these things with folks such as Markedward, The Rookie, Nils, BroRog, to name a few? IOW those closer to your intellectual level? Which is more logical? For you to communicate a level or two lower so that all might be able to partake in the discussion, or for those of us who are not as intellectually inclined to come up to your level? Or would you just rather that those of us that are intellectually inferior to just stay out of your discussions all together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Let's set aside about the the length of the OP. Let's say that it was a little shorter in length. I would still have to wonder who your targeted audience is when you make your posts? If you're speaking over some of our heads, and even tho some of us may have found this topic to have been of interest otherwise, then aren't you choosing whom you want to discuss these things with, and not everyone would be invited to join in? Are you mainly wanting to discuss these things with folks such as Markedward, The Rookie, Nils, BroRog, to name a few? IOW those closer to your intellectual level? Which is more logical? For you to communicate a level or two lower so that all might be able to partake in the discussion, or for those of us who are not as intellectually inclined to come up to your level? Or would you just rather that those of us that are intellectually inferior to just stay out of your discussions all together?
    Honestly, I don't even think about it. I just try to communicate ideas clearly and effectively. I don't try to appeal to a higher intellectual level or a lower intellectual level; I just write what comes to me. However, your point might be more effective if you gave some examples. Is there anything in particular from the OP that you felt was over your head, or is this more of a general reaction?

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    Re: What does it mean to say that Revelation is symbolic?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Let's set aside about the the length of the OP. Let's say that it was a little shorter in length. I would still have to wonder who your targeted audience is when you make your posts? If you're speaking over some of our heads, and even tho some of us may have found this topic to have been of interest otherwise, then aren't you choosing whom you want to discuss these things with, and not everyone would be invited to join in? Are you mainly wanting to discuss these things with folks such as Markedward, The Rookie, Nils, BroRog, to name a few? IOW those closer to your intellectual level? Which is more logical? For you to communicate a level or two lower so that all might be able to partake in the discussion, or for those of us who are not as intellectually inclined to come up to your level? Or would you just rather that those of us that are intellectually inferior to just stay out of your discussions all together?
    Why not look at it as creating an opportunity for those who are 'intellectually inferior' to step up their game? After all, the only way to improve is to work on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Let's set aside about the the length of the OP. Let's say that it was a little shorter in length. I would still have to wonder who your targeted audience is when you make your posts? If you're speaking over some of our heads, and even tho some of us may have found this topic to have been of interest otherwise, then aren't you choosing whom you want to discuss these things with, and not everyone would be invited to join in? Are you mainly wanting to discuss these things with folks such as Markedward, The Rookie, Nils, BroRog, to name a few? IOW those closer to your intellectual level? Which is more logical? For you to communicate a level or two lower so that all might be able to partake in the discussion, or for those of us who are not as intellectually inclined to come up to your level? Or would you just rather that those of us that are intellectually inferior to just stay out of your discussions all together?
    I actually had you in mind (not just you, but it included you) when I made my post in regards to why I thought people weren't responding because I know you have said before that you have a hard time following what he and some others are saying because of the way they word things. His response gives me the sense that he either thinks everyone should be on the same intellectual level as him and the only reason some aren't is because they're lazy. Maybe in some cases that could be true but not everyone has the same intellectual capabilities so it's not just a matter of making the effort to understand. I think people who want to teach others should make the effort to try to word things in such a way as to make it understandable for as many people as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalonKarrde_X View Post
    Why not look at it as creating an opportunity for those who are 'intellectually inferior' to step up their game? After all, the only way to improve is to work on it.
    This comes across as an elitist attitude. Do you understand that not everyone has the same capabilities? I see your comment as being like saying that I'm not the President of the United States only because I'm not trying hard enough.

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    Re: What does it mean to say that Revelation is symbolic?

    Quote Originally Posted by TalonKarrde_X View Post
    Why not look at it as creating an opportunity for those who are 'intellectually inferior' to step up their game? After all, the only way to improve is to work on it.


    I'm all for that, but usually when I post in threads such as this, someone like Matt usually ignores my posts much of the time, but readily responds if someone such as BroRog posts for instance. I'll be the first to admit, my sentence structuring is far from perfect. But a lot of that is my own fault, the fact I hated my English teacher, the fact I was on drugs while in high school, and the fact I never went to college. But that doesn't mean I'm incapable of comprehending anything. It just means that I can't communicate my thoughts as gracefully as some of the rest of you. I wonder how all you superior intellectuals compare to the intellectuality of God? I wonder if you're on the same level as Him? Probably not would be my guess. And yet, someone such as I, and I'm sure it's debatable, but I too understand quite a few things in Scripture myself.

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