Coffee Break
I would call it murder and concealing the evidence. No one has the right to take justice into their own hands. Moses looked this way and that way, It was premeditated. Then he concealed the evidence by burying it in the sand. Even his own people called him a murderer.Originally Posted by Fenris
Exodus 2:12 "And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
Deadpan Snarker
Previous verse: he saw an Egyptian smiting a Hebrew
He shouldn't take the law into his own hand? What should he have done? Gone to the Egyptian authorities? That's just silly.
His own people didn't call him a "murderer" either. The Hebrew is specific: The person says "will you kill me like you killed the Egyptian." Nor "murder", "kill".
You're engaging in your favorite pastime of beating up on biblical characters again.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Posting Freak
Why did God use a terrible murderer to deliver His people and to codify the law? Maybe you read a little more into that than is really there.
Coffee Break
Moses made sure no one was looking before he killed him. Moses hid the evidence. There is nothing in his actions that are biblical. "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord."Previous verse: he saw an Egyptian smiting a Hebrew
He shouldn't take the law into his own hand? What should he have done? Gone to the Egyptian authorities? That's just silly.
His own people didn't call him a "murderer" either. The Hebrew is specific: The person says "will you kill me like you killed the Egyptian." Nor "murder", "kill".
You're engaging in your favorite pastime of beating up on biblical characters again.
Deadpan Snarker
If I lived in Nazi Germany and came upon a Nazi beating someone I might do the same thing. Would that make me a murderer? C'mon man, you're better than this.
"Do not stand by your brother's blood".There is nothing in his actions that are biblical.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
God gave Moses forty years to think about it, and that would be more than he would get today. God only used men that were sinners to accomplish his work.
Coffee Break
If I had to look around to see if anyone was watching, then it would seem that the other person's life was evidently not in imminent danger.
"Thou shalt not kill""Do not stand by your brother's blood".
The New Testament has a new slant on the law, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"
Posting Freak
Actually says Thou shalt do no murder"
Just let the vilest dregs of humanity run wild. Glad you were not making policy concerning Adolf Hitler or more currently, Osama Bin Laden.The New Testament has a new slant on the law, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"
Deadpan Snarker
Yeah, all of 3 seconds makes such a big difference.
As above, it says "murder" not "kill"."Thou shalt not kill"
Do police officers "kill" armed bad guys or do they "murder" them?
Does it say "stand by passively and allow people to become crime victims"?The New Testament has a new slant on the law, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
Actually you will find that the word "ratsach" (kill-murder) is used both for intentional and unintentional death.
You will find when Israel was completely obedient and trusting in God, God did their killing for them. "Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord."Just let the vilest dregs of humanity run wild. Glad you were not making policy concerning Adolf Hitler or more currently, Osama Bin Laden.
Deadpan Snarker
Again: When a cop shoots and armed criminal, is that intentional? Yes. Is it murder? Why, no.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
If we look closely at scripture we see a pattern. God is in charge, if he says kill someone, then who is going to punish you for doing it. God at times told Israel to slay people, that is God's right. God is in charge of all governments. This becomes obvious as we see in Daniel with Nebuchadnezzar. Jeremiah foretold that God had given Israel into the hands of his servant Nebuchadnezzar.
By God's hands nations rise and fall. God gives authority to nations and to governments. It is when man takes that authority into his own hands, without having approval from God that he is sinning. Governments are given authority by God, and sometimes what those Governments do seem wrong, and yet we see in the captivity of Israel God's hand.
Coffee Break
If he follows the book, then it is government that takes all responsibility. As far as the word "ratsach" is concerned, I was tempting to demonstrate that the word merely means to kill, whether intentional, or unintentional. Murder is killing without authority, but the word "ratsach" is not limited to murder.
Senior Member
If I saw someone hitting someone I knew, it would not be justified to kill that person. It's ok to get involved but to take a life over some hitting is wrong.
Not only that but God states it was wrong:
Exo 2:13 And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Wherefore smitest thou thy fellow?
Deadpan Snarker
Ok, so back to my example above. You live in Nazi Germany. You come upon a lone Nazi beating up some poor innocent person. If you stop the Nazi without God's prior approval, you're sinning? Really?!
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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