A Question for my friend, Fenris

[ewq1938]

What's the post number?

149

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[LookingUp]

149



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I'll take a look.

[ewq1938]

I'll take a look.

You are fast lol

[ewq1938]

You are fast lol

BTW, I don't expect agreement, just want you to understand why I believe Jesus is God based on those verses.

[LookingUp]

BTW, I don't expect agreement, just want you to understand why I believe Jesus is God based on those verses.

Read my post #191 in that thread. I'll get back to you on #149. Goodnight.

[ewq1938]

Read my post #191 in that thread. I'll get back to you on #149. Goodnight.

Yes I saw that but I see a distinction between the two but have a goodnight and let's carry this to that thread.

[rejoice44]

Because (wait for it....wait for it...) Moses was eeevil!

He was just like you or I, Moses was a sinner.

[Fenris]

I am making Moses an exceptional case.

This statement does not support your contention.

[Fenris]

What viewpoint is that? That Yahweh has the ability to appear in a form to a person? I truly believe that if we gave these passages to an unbiased person (non-Jew and non-Christian) to read, he’d say that the writer makes it sound as if Yahweh actually appeared in the form of something visible to the eye. I’m not completely sure what the big deal is if Yahweh chose to appear in some kind of form to a person (i.e. a burning bush, a pillar of cloud, a pillar of fire). It’s not like I'm saying He actually is the created form He speaks through. Is it your view that Yahweh can’t create a form to speak through or that He chooses not to for some reason? I remember reading how He chose not to have a form at Sinai to drive the point home that they shouldn’t fashion some object to worship that would represent Him like the surrounding pagans did for their gods, but I don’t get how that limits Him from ever choosing to appear in some form if He wants to.

That's one way to read it. Another way is that God actually has no form.

Why is this an “aha” moment? Jesus can appear or not appear at will. So?

because he didn't appear.

Can you give me your commentary of Ez. 36:25-27 and Isa. 59:20-21? What’s it all about? When does it take place?

Why does this conversation have to be dragged all over the place? It's tiresome to go from point to point like this. Now I have to explain two other chapters?

It’s not in Scripture, so it couldn’t possibly happen? Anything the Jews will ever be wrong about for all eternity will be found in Scripture?

Something that significant should be mentioned, yes.

That’s an interesting thought. What in Scripture leads you to believe that? Anything specific?

The phrase the serpent used to entice: ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil. I.e., have true free will.

What would you call all the times Israel chose other gods to Yahweh? Success?

This is a tired line of thinking. "The Jews rejected God, the Jews rejected Jesus, i.e. Jesus was God.

Just because it can be overcome doesn’t mean the heart isn’t sick. But one thing man can’t do is give himself a new heart, that God will do. Do you agree?

The point seems to be to earn it via the struggle.

I’m not. I use the words interchangeably.

Ah. A shame the bible doesn't.

Of course, God will write the current Law/Torah on hearts.

Wacky point: The prophets speak of God doing this to Israel, not the world at large.

What if the victim is dead?

yeah that sure makes it tough huh?

Maybe that’s how you feel, but I don’t.

Not the impression I get.

Gen. 2. No tree of life, no life.

We all die, so what's up with that.

[Fenris]

He was just like you or I, Moses was a sinner.

Time to trash some biblical figures again.

[John 8:32]

Time to trash some biblical figures again.

Seems funny to me that some like to trash their hall of famers. (Heb 11) I find these characters to be great inspiration.

[ewq1938]

Time to trash some biblical figures again.

No one is trashing biblical figures. What we are doing is honestly understanding and seeing them for what they really were rather than place them too high on a pedestal that they become like gods or something. Moses had flaws, he was an imperfect man and even died for it. We all have flaws too.

[Fenris]

What we are doing is honestly understanding and seeing them for what they really were rather than place them to high on a pedestal that they become like gods or something.

Since the bible has very high praise for Moses, I'm inclined to believe he was on a higher level than you or I.

But if it makes you feel better to drag him down, go right ahead. It's not like God punishes malicious speech or anything...

[ewq1938]

Since the bible has very high praise for Moses, I'm inclined to believe he was on a higher level than you or I.

But if it makes you feel better to drag him down, go right ahead. It's not like God punishes malicious speech or anything...

Talking about what God says about Moses does not drag him down. It's just the facts:

Numbers 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Numbers 27:14 For ye rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin.

For Christians, we do not want to sin against God and be prevented from entering the Promised land for that would mean we lose eternal life. (Moses did not lose eternal life but for us in these end times, the analogy has a much more serious implication)

[Fenris]

Talking about what God says about Moses does not drag him down. It's just the facts:

Great. You got two verses. Describing the one time Moses fell short. And those apparently outweigh everything else that Moses did. Because, you know, it proves your point.