A Question for my friend, Fenris

[John 8:32]

The law was called the law of Moses. King Saul stood in place of God as well. Moses represented the works of man and how far it will take you.

Does God call it the law of Moses?

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

and that was stated prior to Sinai

Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.
Exo 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

[rejoice44]

I don't live in Israel now...so what's the difference.

That which can be seen relates to the unseen.

Yes, I would be happy with his "failure". To speak to God, "face to face"? To be called the "greatest prophet ever"? To be called "a man of God"?

Correction Moses said there would be a prophet after him that was greater.

Even Satan spoke face to face with God.

Why are you ignoring the things I'm pointing out that the bible says about him?

[Fenris]

That which can be seen relates to the unseen.

It helps if you have a good imagination I guess.

Correction Moses said there would be a prophet after him that was greater.

He didn't. And Deuteronomy 34 specifically says "And there hath not arisen a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses."

But let's pretend you're right. Moses was only the second greatest prophet who ever lived.

Not good enough for you? Still have to talk trash about him? I mean, really.

Even Satan spoke face to face with God.

Satan is not a human being.

You didn't answer my question: Why are you ignoring the things I'm pointing out that the bible says about Moses?

[divaD]

He didn't. And Deuteronomy 34 specifically says "And there hath not arisen a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses."

But let's pretend you're right. Moses was only the second greatest prophet who ever lived.

Not good enough for you? Still have to talk trash about him? I mean, really.

Somehow I just don't feel the LORD God feels the same way about some of your ancestors as some apparently do. And why shouldn't you look up to Moses? It appeared that even God respected Moses to some degree, since He spoke so favorably about him on numerous occasions. Just because he didn't make the promise land while he was alive, and the fact he made mistakes just like any other human, this hardly means that he won't make it to the promised land after the resurrection tho.

[BrianW]

Moses? Hmmm.....lets see:

Face to face.....well....not quite face to face. How about.....Interactive relationship with Lord God Almighty.

God's choice to be the Liberator of God's chosen people.

God's tool to perform mighty miracles for the glory of God.

Leader of God's chosen.

Historian.

Prophet.

Lawgiver.

Intercessor.

Moses. Great man of God and a hero to many generations even up until today and the future.

[John 8:32]

Moses? Hmmm.....lets see:

Face to face.....well....not quite face to face. How about.....Interactive relationship with Lord God Almighty.

Num 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
Num 12:7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

Exo 33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

[BrianW]

Ok. How about the rest of my post? Agree? Disagree?

I feel that that the face to face reference is just a way of saying --communicated directly with-- but I don't want to go off on a rabbit trail eh? Sorry.

[John 8:32]

Ok. How about the rest of my post? Agree? Disagree?

I feel that that the face to face reference is just a way of saying --communicated directly with-- but I don't want to go off on a rabbit trail eh? Sorry.

Yes, I agree completely with the rest of your post. That's why he is mentioned so prominently in the Hall of Fame (Heb 11).

[rejoice44]

He didn't. And Deuteronomy 34 specifically says "And there hath not arisen a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses."

But let's pretend you're right. Moses was only the second greatest prophet who ever lived.

Not good enough for you? Still have to talk trash about him? I mean, really.

God did not bury Elijah, but took him up to Heaven.

Please present the scripture where I trashed him? Why would I trash a man that God had chosen?

You didn't answer my question: Why are you ignoring the things I'm pointing out that the bible says about Moses?

Moses was one of the greatest men of the bible, what makes you think I ignore that fact?

[Fenris]

God did not bury Elijah, but took him up to Heaven.

True. Elijah did not apparently die.

And yet according to Deuteronomy Moses was a greater prophet than Elijah.

Please present the scripture where I trashed him? Why would I trash a man that God had chosen?



Moses was one of the greatest men of the bible, what makes you think I ignore that fact?

Well this is a substantial improvement, You seemed quite concerned that he was a murderer or somesuch.

[John 8:32]

God did not bury Elijah, but took him up to Heaven.

Please present the scripture where I trashed him? Why would I trash a man that God had chosen?



Moses was one of the greatest men of the bible, what makes you think I ignore that fact?

Did God take him (Elijah that is) to heaven, or to another place on the earth?

2Ch 21:12 And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,

This letter appeared 10 years after the fiery chariot.

Did Christ lie?

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 7:34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.
Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

[rejoice44]

True. Elijah did not apparently die.

And yet according to Deuteronomy Moses was a greater prophet than Elijah.

I thought Deuteronomy was written prior to the time of Elijah, please correct me if I am wrong.

Well this is a substantial improvement, You seemed quite concerned that he was a murderer or somesuch.

David was a murderer, and IMO David was greater than Moses.

[rejoice44]

Did God take him (Elijah that is) to heaven, or to another place on the earth?

The scripture said heaven. 2 Kings 2:1

[Fenris]

I thought Deuteronomy was written prior to the time of Elijah, please correct me if I am wrong.

Deuteronomy was written by Moses. If your point is that it says "And there hath not arisen a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses," it doesn't make any sense to talk about when it was written.

David was a murderer, and IMO David was greater than Moses.

Let's try and stick to the topic at hand, shall we?

[John 8:32]

The scripture said heaven. 2 Kings 2:1

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

The Bible actually speaks of three heavens. The three scriptures above are not the only ones referring to the air, atmosphere as heaven. There is also the heaven of the universe...

Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

And finally God's throne...

Deu 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
Deu 26:15 Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey.
2Ch 6:25 Then hear thou from the heavens, and forgive the sin of thy people Israel, and bring them again unto the land which thou gavest to them and to their fathers.
Psa 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
Eze 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

Now considering John 3:13, which heaven was Elijah taken up in?

My apologies for veering off course, back to the topic at hand.