Deadpan Snarker
That it's symbolic of god sacrificing himself for the sins of mankind? No, we don't see that.Originally Posted by Sojourner55
And what's an "innocent lamb"? Are there "guilty lambs"?
I know Christians like to jump all over aspects of the Jewish bible that can be inferred as referring to Jesus. But a Jewish person might say that they are small parts of the whole bible, and are not particularly significant in that sense.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
That might work for the second, third, etc., but not for the first Passover, there had not yet been anything to commemorate.
Deadpan Snarker
Ahhh you should know better than to do this.
K waiting patiently.I gotta run, but I'll come back to this.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Deadpan Snarker
Still not a sin sacrifice.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
Why did the lamb have to be without blemish?
Deadpan Snarker
A lamb with a blemish is guilty? I don't even understand.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
A guilty lamb wouldn't be without blemish.
Deadpan Snarker
What is a guilty lamb?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
Doesn't God want us to be clean of heart, as well as of body? The Priest also had to be without blemish. Man sees the outside but God sees the inside as well.
Deadpan Snarker
What is a guilty lamb? Do tell.
I think any sacrifice has to be without blemish because a sacrifice is a gift to God. When you give someone a gift, especially if the gift is going to the Creator of heaven and earth, you don't give them something broken.
Yup. You really want to go commune with God and the priest is missing an arm or a leg?The Priest also had to be without blemish.
Believe it or not, all ancient civilizations in the middle east had the same requirements of their priests.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
I don't believe everybody checked to see if the priest was a mono-orchid.
God gave us the picture in Isaac. Isaac was to die, but a lamb took his place. How is a lamb equal to a man?
Deadpan Snarker
What about the rest of the blemishes? Or is the number of testicles indicative of sin or something.
Ram, not a lamb.God gave us the picture in Isaac. Isaac was to die, but a lamb took his place.
Maybe the whole lesson was that God doesn't want human sacrifice.How is a lamb equal to a man?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Senior Member
Except here he did:
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
New and Improved
Okay, I walked into that one like an open door. I was thinking in terms of the "innocence" attribute as inherent in God's specifying a lamb that was spotless and without blemish. But you're right, concepts in Christianity are meaningless in Judaism.
When we stand before the Judgment Seat, we will have retained only two things from our earthly life: what God gave us, and what we did with what He gave us.
Coffee Break
[QUOTE]Fenris you always see the view of the physical, but the spiritual application that it addresses is always a mute point for you.
Well Abraham said God would provide a "seh", and the Passover lamb was a "seh", so maybe you could enlighten me where I am going wrong.Ram, not a lamb.
Maybe the lesson was that God was going to provide the sin offering.Maybe the whole lesson was that God doesn't want human sacrifice.
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