sabboth

[otis lilly]

ok here goes, sabboth day, we all know its actually on saturday, and was changed by the council of laodicea in 363 to sunday, for many reasons that is a thread of its own, but...........
some say that we are not held to the 10 commandments because of grace, meaning we are not held to any of the 10, or just that 1, are we or are we not in your opinion supose to respect the sabboth or not, and please add scripture numbers or explain makes you believe what you do.
thank you for your time

[otis lilly]

would someone please tell me the scriptures ending our need to practice sabboth on saturday, as is commanded in the 10 laws

scriptures please

[watchinginawe]

would someone please tell me the scriptures ending our need to practice sabboth on saturday, as is commanded in the 10 laws

scriptures please

Hello otis lilly, welcome to the Bibleforums!

Have you considered Acts 15 and Acts 21? And perhaps Colossians 2?

Personally, I have no problem with someone conscientiously observing the 7th day sabbath, but it seems in my experience that many who do observe such seem to have problems with someone conscientiously observing the "first day of the week" as the day of worship. It is a fairly contentious topic. Noticing that you do not yet have a profession of faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, I would encourage you to not make this the "standard of salvation" so to speak. The chapters I have suggested may help in navigating this.

[Diggindeeper]

Otis, are you Seventh Day Adventist?

[Adstars]

The Sabbath is from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. So to say that the Sabbath is only Saturday is wrong. If we want to be correct about these things.

And what is the "practice" we are called upon to perform on this day? Going to church? Where was it written that the Jews had to attend the temple or a synagogue on the Sabbath?

Something to think about.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Ta-An]

The Sabbath is from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. So to say that the Sabbath is only Saturday is wrong. If we want to be correct about these things.

Correct

And what is the "practice" we are called upon to perform on this day? Going to church? Where was it written that the Jews had to attend the temple or a synagogue on the Sabbath?

Something to think about.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days

When you read Mark, Luke, Acts, you'll see that Jesus went to the synagogue to teach on Sabbath
Sabbath is not only observed by Jews / Seventh Day Adventists,,, but also by some Christians. It is a time of studying the Scriptures without interference of home/work activities. To be peaceful/resting in the Lord.... to me it is a 'daily quiet time' stretched over a whole day (weekend).

I don't keep Sabbath because it is a law, but because I enjoy it.

[John 8:32]

Correct When you read Mark, Luke, Acts, you'll see that Jesus went to the synagogue to teach on Sabbath
Sabbath is not only observed by Jews / Seventh Day Adventists,,, but also by some Christians. It is a time of studying the Scriptures without interference of home/work activities. To be peaceful/resting in the Lord.... to me it is a 'daily quiet time' stretched over a whole day (weekend).

I don't keep Sabbath because it is a law, but because I enjoy it.

Exactly! by the by Paul kept the Sabbath and so did the early N.T. church until the latter 100's early 200's. They also kept the Holydays and not Saturnalia and Ishtar. Polycarp is a very interesting person to study, so is the Quartodeciman controversy.

[John 8:32]

ok here goes, sabboth day, we all know its actually on saturday, and was changed by the council of laodicea in 363 to sunday, for many reasons that is a thread of its own, but...........
some say that we are not held to the 10 commandments because of grace, meaning we are not held to any of the 10, or just that 1, are we or are we not in your opinion supose to respect the sabboth or not, and please add scripture numbers or explain makes you believe what you do.
thank you for your time

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Only God has the authority to make time holy, although the Catholic Church disagrees.

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Most people read that as the feasts of the Jews, but God says they are His feasts.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

And just for good measure...

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Christ kept the Sabbath.

Paul kept the Sabbath and preached on it...

Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
Act 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.

Paul taught gentiles on the Sabbath...

Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

The church at Thessalonica...

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Jews and Greeks...

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

The church at Colosse...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Don't let anyone judge you for keeping the Sabbath, Holydays or New Moons.

Keeping the Sabbath is linked to salvation...

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

All will keep it in the Millenium...

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

When does one worship the Eternal in these days...

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

ec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

[otis lilly]

I am not bound by any denomination that i have found
I am looking for the scripture that frees us from the commandments/ sabboth

[watchinginawe]

I am not bound by any denomination that i have found
I am looking for the scripture that frees us from the commandments/ sabboth

I find the way you have worded that interesting otis lilly. Do you find yourself in bondage to that commandment in some way?

[Bandit]

Hello Otis,

I closed your other thread on this same topic. It is just much easier for all if all relevant comments are in one thread.

[Adstars]

Correct When you read Mark, Luke, Acts, you'll see that Jesus went to the synagogue to teach on Sabbath
Sabbath is not only observed by Jews / Seventh Day Adventists,,, but also by some Christians. It is a time of studying the Scriptures without interference of home/work activities. To be peaceful/resting in the Lord.... to me it is a 'daily quiet time' stretched over a whole day (weekend).

I don't keep Sabbath because it is a law, but because I enjoy it.

Well the question i was asking is where does it say in the Law that the Jews where to attend the temple or a synagogue on the day of the Sabbath? Here is another question. When in the OT law did God call for synagogues to be built?

I have seen videos made in Israel of orthodox Jews running to get inside their homes before sunset Friday so as not to be travelling on the day of the Sabbath. They believe that travelling is a form of work, therefore they do not attend a synagogue on the Sabbath.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[John 8:32]

I am not bound by any denomination that i have found
I am looking for the scripture that frees us from the commandments/ sabboth

Good luck with that one.

[Dani H]

When Jesus said "I give you a new commandment", what does that mean to you?

When Jesus says "you have heard it said ... but I say to you ...", what does that mean to you?

When the Bible says that we have a better covenant based on better promises, what does that mean to you?

When you read in the New Testament that Jesus Himself is our peace now and that we enter into God's rest because of Jesus and by accepting the New Covenant, what does that mean to you?

I'm not giving you chapter and verse because my challenge to you is to study books like Hebrews in their entirety to get a good overview of what is actually being brought across in those writings. Because it's too easy to take chapters and verses out of context and try to build "doctrine" from that. Read the whole thing, follow the actual thought process, look at the big picture, and you will get the idea.

[Ta-An]

Good luck with that one.

If you read the Col 2 scripture WiA posted, you'll see it never was prescribed to gentiles to really keep Sabbath