It’s not biblical to say men are “spiritually dead.” People derive that idea from a couple passages like the one that says we were “dead in our sins” before becoming alive in Christ. Either you must believe that Old Testament saints were born again and filled with the Holy Spirit before Christ’s resurrection and ascension or you must believe there were different “rules” for Old Testaments saints than New Testament saints to believe this doctrine.2 - Men are wicked, evil and spiritually DEAD, unable to save themselves. God must regenerate the heart before we can receive Him.
True.3 - We are called to believe in Christ and be saved through God's grace that He gives to anyone who believes.
You don’t have to be born again in order to recognize that there is a God. Each man has enough faith and enlightenment from Christ (John 1:9) to understand and either accept or reject this truth.A good number of the services that I have attended at my church and other evangelical churches typically end with an invitation to the lost to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. While I am NOT trying to say this is impossible or this is wrong, I struggle to understand how it doesn't fly in the face of election and depravity of man. How is the invitation not suggesting that we can self-regenerate?
Not sure I understand this question.I recognize all the passages where the apostles are asked "what can we do to receive eternal life?" - Answer is in some form of BELIEVE. Is that the only source of reasoning behind the invitation to make a decision today about Christ?
So in Biblical times people did not think along the lines of individual election and nowadays people do not think along the lines of corporate election. So my last post still stands. You are reading into Scripture something that is not there in order to support your theology. Scripture needs to be read and understood in its IMMEDIATE context and THEN used to support other Scripture. I see you deduction but it does not come from an interpretation of the immediate context of the Scriptures you reference and doing things "like this" is how the cults come to their deductions.I think a big part of the problem is that for so long the church has tried to think of election along individual lines, but from what I have read, in biblical times people did not think along such lines. I think the main problem with corporate election is that most people are just unfamilar with it.
Sorry if I digress from the OP, but my views of election are tightly interwoven with my views about predestination and the salvation of all mankind.
Romans 2:5 "But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God “will give to each person according to what he has done.”a 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile."
Yes, there will be judgement...for all people...wrath and anger, yes. God is just. That's why His anger will not be eternal.....he "delights to show mercy".
Again, yes judgement is coming. I won't go into a great speel about the root words translated as everlasting and eternal - it would be beneficial for you to do a google search on the word "aionion" if you would like to research this. Suffice is to say that everlasting/ eternal are a poor translation....the better translation would be "pertaining to an age (an undefined period of time).
Also, don't forget other parables such as the lost sheep or the lost coin which speak about our saviours unwillingness to let anyone go.
Jesus says in Matthew 7:12-14 that MANY enter the gate that leads to destruction.
All will NOT be saved!
And you don't need to see corporate election to see the reality that not all will be saved.
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
5Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
1 Kings 3:8
8 And thy servant is in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a great people, that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude.
13For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Judah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal.
14Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.
15What hath my beloved to do in mine house, seeing she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest.
This was the what the Jews understood in Jesus’ day. This is corporate election.
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