I don't see where I ever put any words in your mouth and if I did, that was not my intent and I apologize.
I have been attempting to make a Christian effort and if I have not, that was not my intention and I apologize.
I have lost my joy being part of this forum so I am deciding to leave.
Either I can only hope that I am one of the elect because there seems to be no way to really know for sure and I will forever fret over it with no real peace or joy.
In my free will and the sin that dwells in me, I will forever be wondering if I am doing enough to keep the commandments and endure to the end which is way too much work for me so I might just throw in the towel now.
Just can't figure out how I managed all these years.
I don't see an issue with seeing that the disciples were handpicked specifically, but not those who would believe the Message of the Gospel that they were tasked with spreading.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3
On the contrary, keeping the commandments is the only way you can have peace.
Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea; your offspring would have been like the sand, and your descendants like its grains; their name would never be cut off or destroyed from before me.” Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The LORD has redeemed his servant Jacob!” They did not thirst when he led them through the deserts; he made water flow for them from the rock; he split the rock and the water gushed out. “There is no peace,” says the LORD, “for the wicked.” Isaiah 48:18-22
It is not a curse to do the commandments, but rather a blessing. The sum of the commandments of God is "love," and this certainly is a blessing to do.
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Romans 13:9
‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” Acts 20:35
But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” Luke 11:28
it might sound paradoxical, but working to keep God's commandments is peace, but not working to keep God's commandments is torment and agitation.
How long will you lie there, O sluggard? When will you arise from your sleep? A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber, and want like an armed man. Proverbs 6:9-11
as for salvation, i agree with you that you can't lose it, however i also believe that without doing the commandments you cannot have peace, either in this age or the age to come.
And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:2
ok, question: does your theology on faith and where it comes from matter for salvation? hypothetically speaking if faith completely comes from God but you think its from yourself does it matter? how about if you think its from God but its from yourself. or if you believe you have been individually selected but you were really part of a corporate selection.
does it matter that we understand where our faith comes from to be saved even if we are completely wrong?
i am almost scared to ask in that this seems like a yes/no question but i wonder if it wont get much more complicated then that.
what do the following verses mean?
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.What it doesn't mean is that God only draws some people to Christ and doesn't bother with the rest. Here's what Jesus said He would do:The things He was praying about at that time only applied to His followers. This doesn't mean He didn't ever pray for those who had not put their faith in Him up to that point. But at that particular time He was praying for His followers and praying for their protection (John 17:15) and so on. You can't take single verses here and there and make doctrines out of them. It's easy to read a single verse and think it's saying one thing but then you find a hundred other verses saying something else. That means you were reading the one verse out of context. You have to read the verses in context and also read them in light of the rest of scripture before determining what they mean.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
So, for God to draw people to Christ is not a case of forcing them to believe in Christ. God calls all people to repentance (Acts 17:30-31) and faith in Christ and wants all people to be saved (1 Tim 2:3-6) but the only one who will actually come to Christ are those who are willing to do so by their own free will choice.
John 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
Look at what Jesus said here:
Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
He told His disciples to pray for their enemies. Do you think He would tell them to do that but not do that Himself as well? Of course not, right? So, you can't read a verse like John 17:9 and conclude that Jesus didn't pray for the lost at all or didn't care if they were saved or not. God wants all people to repent and to be saved. I'm not sure how you reconcile that with your doctrine.
No. Our conclusion regarding where faith comes from has no salvific value.hypothetically speaking if faith completely comes from God but you think its from yourself does it matter?
None of this has any salvific value.how about if you think its from God but its from yourself. or if you believe you have been individually selected but you were really part of a corporate selection.
God doesnít save us based on how many doctrines we have correct.does it matter that we understand where our faith comes from to be saved even if we are completely wrong?
Rest in God. Have peace. God sent His son to die for us because He loves us and wants us to be with Him in His kingdom. If you sent your only beloved son to die so others could join you in your kingdom, youíre going to make sure that as many as possible are blessed by your sonís death.i am almost scared to ask in that this seems like a yes/no question but i wonder if it wont get much more complicated then that.
Looking up, I couldn't agree more with your last statement - why would god send his beloved son to die for the sins of the whole world but then put a barrier between us & that salvation? Why only have some come to salvation? It makes no sense.
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