Re: Decision for Christ vs. Election & (depravity of man)
But we have to admit, God went the extra mile to save Paul. Not many of us are granted such an experience. Paul said he was a Pharisee of the Pharisee and proud of himself. He considered himself the "chiefest of sinners" (i.e. worst) so that he could serve as an example that ANYONE could be saved. Did God save Paul because there was a genuine desire in Paul? Was it something good in Paul that motivated God to give him the experience he gave? Why wasn't Jesus signs enough? Paul was around when Jesus was around. (I think Stephen's testimony was too much for Paul, but that's another thread.) I think Paul pretty much has said he was worse than the other Pharisees but saved anyway. But that's my opinion.
Originally Posted by John146
Agreed. But he didn't do all it took for them to repent. He himself said if he had done more, they would have repented.
I believe He did enough for Sodom for them to repent.
I didn't say he should have. All I am saying is he doesn't give all the same exact chance. If he gives a person one chance, isn't it enough?
So, I certainly don't think anyone could conclude that He should have done as much there as He did in Capernaum (Matt 11:23) or other parts of Israel so that they would have repented.
Agreed. Again, I never said he didn't do enough. Just that he didn't do as much there, as he did in other places. IOW, it's not the SAME for all people. Do you think people living in Islamic Fundamentalist circles hear the gospel and see God's works to the same exact degree as those of us that have heard Jesus preached most of our lives?
He did enough for them to repent so that is what matters. But they didn't.
Again, I never said he was a respecter of persons. Nor did I say he didn't do enough. All I said was he didn't give everyone the same exact treatment/opportunity.
I believe He did more in Capernaum and other places in Israel because they were so wicked and more was required in order to try to convince them to repent. I certainly don't believe He did more in Israel because He cared more about the people of Israel than the people of Sodom. He is not a respecter of persons.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Indeed. God gives all a chance to be saved and desires them all to be saved and provided way for them all to be saved.
That's good enough for me. The other things you mentioned are probably things that we can't prove one way or another but the main thing is that we agree that God offers salvation to everyone and everyone has the opportunity to answer the call and to be saved even though not everyone does, obviously.
13 "But go and learn what this means: ' I DESIRE COMPASSION,AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."