Does it matter that the four angels left the earth?

[vinsight4u8]

The four angels left to go to heaven?

So doesn't that mean their earth, sea, and trees plagues took place first?

Rev. 7:2
...to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea.....

7:11
And all the angels stood round about the throne...


Did John leave us any clues as to how those four angels ended up with ways to hurt the earth, sea, and trees?


What is the last thing the "another" angel ascending from the east mentions that the four angels can hurt?

the trees
So this angel is the one that gave the four angels the trees plague.

The plagues for the earth, sea, and trees were given to the four angels because the "we" angels of Rev. 7 had come from their job in the east that happened in chapter 15. Chapter 15 is the get the plagues place. The seven angels "we" handed them off to the four angels, then those seven went to seal people, and reported the numbers to God.

[vinsight4u8]

What were the four angels given in Rev. 7?

They were given ways to hurt.
Hurt what?

the earth
the sea
the trees

Aren't these the trumpet plagues?

[Ta-An]

What were the four angels given in Rev. 7?

They were given ways to hurt.
Hurt what?

the earth
the sea
the trees

Aren't these the trumpet plagues?

That is exactly what I thought

[vinsight4u8]

That is exactly what I thought

All right! Good job on that conclusion. See how there are angels that come from the east? These are the "we" angels that will seal the people.

Rev. 7:2
And I saw another angel ascending from the east...{{This can't be one of the four angels as they must stand in their on the earth places and hold the winds}}.

John saw another angel come from the east. What if this is our clue that part of Rev. has been hidden, made into something obscure? Where in Rev. 7 is what the other angels did that ascended from the east? Why did they get seen as ascending from the east?
Do you find it odd that this one "another" angel speaks to the four angels as have to been given the ways to hurt the earth, and the sea? Later, he will add the part that harms the trees as then in the possession of the four standing angels. This makes me think that as the whole set of angels has been coming from the east, they brought plagues (earth, sea, trees) with them. When the final angel is seen to come from the east, he hands off his plague of trees to the four angels that stand and hold the winds.

Rev. 7:2
And I saw another angel ascending from the east,...he cried...to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth, and the sea, {{{the angel with the trees plague is him, and by the next verse he has transferred it to the four angels}}

Rev. 7:3
...Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed...{{So there is a group that will do the damage, and a group that came from the east - and will seal people}}.

The trumpet plagues are now in the hands of the four angels.
Why?
Because the "we" came from the east angels will return to heaven, and they can't make plagues happen on the earth from there.
This is the chapter where they seal the 144,000, and head back to heaven to stand before God -where they give the report of the numbers they sealed. They now stand before God and get the seven trumpets.

Do you find it odd that Rev. 8:2 refers to "the seven angels".
Why didn't John write them out as "seven angels"?
Because he had already seen these seven in Rev. 7.

[vinsight4u8]

Hi Ta-An,

Do you think that part of Rev.7's vision has been hidden? Is it maybe hidden somewhere else in Revelation? Do you think that John first saw that seven angel set in Rev. 15:1?

And I saw another sign in heaven...seven angels...{{John did not say that he sees another set of seven angels, or "the" already seen by him set of seven angels.}}

Is it possible that here is where we need to go look to find the hidden puzzle pieces to make Rev. 7 run smoothly along with its story?

Rev. 7
.....
Rev. 8:2 ....the seven angels.....

/So doesn't Rev. 15 with its another sign, and seven angels have to show up during Rev. 7?

[Ta-An]

The Book of Revelation is one of the Books I do not read with a "Tooth-comb" because much of it is not revealed..... I'll just make sure that I can hear God's voice and be sure to respond when He calls me...

[vinsight4u8]

The Book of Revelation is one of the Books I do not read with a "Tooth-comb" because much of it is not revealed..... I'll just make sure that I can hear God's voice and be sure to respond when He calls me...

Okay, if you do want to see how Rev. was shown to John, then we can look at it another time. The angels in the east for Rev. 7 came from chapter 15 after having been given the vials by the one of the four beasts that was in the east. They left heaven, went to the earth, got the vials in Babylon, then ascended back up to head to Rev. 7 where they give their plagues to the four standing angels. By Rev. 7:11 all of the angels stood round about the throne, so this means the earth, sea, and trees plagues came to pass first. The four angels had to let the winds blow, as they had to join the other angels in heaven.