And the best part is, that it is the wrong date!Originally Posted by rejoice44
Deadpan Snarker
And the best part is, that it is the wrong date!
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
How about you show a little proof of the date.
Deadpan Snarker
Most scholars generally assume a date of birth between 6 and 4 BC
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
That is not proof, that is disagreement.
Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen, the Chronicon Cyranicum, Eusebius of Caesarea, John Chrysostom, Jerome, Hippolytus of Thebes, The Paschal Chronicle, Photius the Patriarch of Constantinople, the Greek historian Zonaras, Bar Hebraeus (who quoted Syrian, Armenian, and Greek sources, Epiphanius and the early Syrian chronological work, the Chronicon Edessenum, indicate the nativity was 2BC. This would be one year off from our present date, since there is no year zero.
Dionysius Exiguus was aware of most of these claims when he set a date of 1BC. It was not challenged until the sixteenth Century.
Deadpan Snarker
Does anyone think it was 1 BC? or is that considered by almost all scholars to be the wrong date?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
What would it change if Christ's birth was 3 BC?
Posting Freak
Just wondering, some out, but what is the big deal about Jesus likely having been born (or not) around 4 BC? The calendar is what it is, and if it is off by a few years, then it is off. I haven't read through all the posts, but what is the big deal?
Deadpan Snarker
Um, the calendar would have the wrong date. Which it does. So your "proof" is no proof at all.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Deadpan Snarker
Rejoice44 has been touting the fact that most of the world uses the Christian calendar as proof of Christianity being correct.Just wondering, so
My claim is that since the date of the year 1 is most certainly not the year of Jesus's birth, the calendar is wrong. And it proves nothing.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Posting Freak
Even if the calendar were accurate (as far as Jesus' birth goes), that in and of itself would prove nothing. The only thing really proven by the use of the calendar is the impact Jesus and His followers have had on western thought - which is considerable.
Deadpan Snarker
Well said, and (a thing I am fond of saying) historically true.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Posting Freak
Though, I must say, the way many 'Christians' have interpreted Jesus' influence and intentions (like during the 'inquisitions') have been totally off.
Deadpan Snarker
Christians are entitled to have their heroes and villains just as any other religion.
On the whole it's been a net plus though.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Good bye.
(Jumping in the thread for a minute.) I believe Jesus was born probably in the fall of 5 BC. (Back out.)
Deadpan Snarker
We're not going to let you off that easy...
Why 5BC? Do tell.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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