I am not allowed to post a rebuttal to posts in this forum on threads I didn’t start, but I read this response below and felt a strong need to comment on this posts content.
“There are some Christians that are fearful of science that is true...because they think science works to undermine God when actually science is just another expression of God...science is just now catching up with the bible! It pains me to see some Christians feeling science is somehow anti-God when their is plenty of science in the bible. I have no conflict with science and God...usually when their is a conflict I only have to wait for science to 'discover' something new and 'catch up' with the bible...
While the bible never changes its mind...science does.
Like for instance...when the first telescope was invented they thought the bible was wrong and the stars could be counted....(the bible says their are so many they cannot be counted) ..then they invented a stronger lens! And suddenly the sky was filled with countless stars! Proving indeed the bible was right...we see this happening all the time..its just science takes time and discovers new evidences all the time that it couldn't before because of the lack in technology. The bible isn't written like a modern day science book of course..doesn't use the words we use now...but still the science is there.
As far as Hitler and Stalin go...yes alot of what they did was based on Darwin's theory of evolution...that some are 'inferior' people and through the process of natural selection would supposedly die off...only Hitler decided to not wait on natural selection but do it himself... If you notice it wasn't just the Jews he had killed (though he did see the Jews as lessen human being), but the handicapped, the homosexuals..anyone that didn't fit his idea of the stronger species. He also went on to try to make the perfect race...you know the blond hair blue eye perfect race of human beings...and force couples to engage in sex and have children that meant his requirements...he took Darwin's ideas to the logical conclusion basically...
And yes the studies on whether a person is born gay or not are faulty...no gay gene has been found.. “
There’s a few different elements touched on in this post that I want to comment on…
To start, this has little to do with the content of your post, but is a huge pet-peeve of mine. There is a large difference between the meaning of their, there, and they’re please use them correctly!
Moving on, when was there a hypothesis submitted by ‘science’ that the stars can or can’t be counted? I’d submit that the stars can be counted but not at this moment in time due to not being equipped with the knowledge of the limits of the universe as well as the equipment to see that far. Over time as advancements are made in technology to further understand space it is possible to get to a point where the stars can be counted.
According to you the bible says the stars can’t be counted, but how is that possible? According to Christians isn’t god the true author of the bible? If that’s the case how can he in one instance create the stars and the heavens in one day and then tell man that there are so many he can’t count them. If he had the capacity to make all of the stars, especially if he did it in one day, then god would certainly have the capacity to count all of them. Thus making this passage in the bible, like many others, make no sense when you think about it.
You make a statement that the bible doesn’t change its’ mind but science does… I completely disagree with this comment. Science by definition doesn’t have the capacity to change its’ mind since its mind doesn’t exist. What I mean is that data produced from experiments can me interrupted by humans different and lead to different hypothesizes or conclusions but science as a study can’t change, does that make sense?
I agree that the bible for all intents and purposes hasn’t changed over the years but just as data has been interrupted differently in “science” so have items in the bible. In 325 AD the council of Nicea met to discuss many things, one of which was which books should or should not be included in the bible. You may say that was because many people wrote stories which had no relevance to the teachings of Jesus, or something of the like, which is a fair argument but why does the same not happen in reverse for scientists? Like many of the false books in the bible at the time “science” has many people who manipulate findings or lie about their results to push personal agendas. In my opinion both are unchanging entities themselves but are preserved to change based on the interpretation by people.
Also, you discuss the Holocaust, Hilters theory if you will, of the Holocaust was from Eugenics. A much broader way of thinking of Eugenics is Darwin’s theory of evolution not the other way around as you have stated. The reason this is important is because forms of Eugenics have been around for centuries prior to Darwin formulizing his theory of evolution. A number of wars have been fought over ethnic cleansing based on religion; many of such wars were sanctioned by the pope himself, the extension of god on earth. Just to play devil’s advocate you could fairly state that WWII was just a modern day ‘Crusades’.
In that same paragraph you reference Hilter forcing people to procreate children if they fit the criteria of the ‘perfect race’. This practice had been done in many places across the globe including the United States. The largest, strongest slaves were forced to have children based on the idea that if they were big they would make big offspring. This was started well before Darwin released his book on evolution by the way…
Finally, to say that people aren’t born gay is ignorant; genetics is a new unfolding area of science which makes constant progress. As time moves forward maybe we can say that there is or isn’t a “gay gene”, but you certainly aren’t equipped with any knowledge in the subject matter to make such a claim at this point in time. Furthermore, I find it hilarious and hypocritical that you say because we haven’t found a gay gene there isn’t one. What evidence have we found that god is real?