Name of Christ VOID? Demonic Attacks

[episkopos_1]

Demons and How to Deal with Them is a book i'd recommend

www.daghewardmills.org

[Toner44]

Theres nothing that happens during oppression that is different than everyday life. How is a voice or a thought anymore despicable than the rebellion in our own hearts? Whats so new about it? How is the face of evil any different than the hands of evil?

[Michelle71]

Haven't read through all the posts.

The demon that likes to torment those who are hearing from God with this type of thing is called Lilith. Also, who Christ is, and who God is must be a solid foundation for binding any demon.

This demon is associated with the Hebrew word for screetch owl

Isa 34:14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the isle, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech-owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.

H3917
לילית
lı̂ylı̂yth
lee-leeth'
From H3915; a night spectre: - screech owl.

H3915
לילה ליל ליל
layil lêyl layelâh
lah'-yil, lale, lah'-yel-aw
From the same as H3883; properly a twist (away of the light), that is, night; figuratively adversity: - ([mid-]) night (season).

What counters are you asking the Lord to loose upon you in order for the filling of the void when the demons are bound. Here is a list of things to stand on, and to ask the Lord for when dealing with this..

Tamiym (undefiled)
Darash (seek the Lord)
Yosher (uprightness)
Zakah (cleanse)
Shamar (take heed God’s word…hedge about)
Yachal (hope)
Dunamis (power)
Agape (love)
Sophronismos (sound mind/self control)


Look up each of those descriptions and find the scriptures that pertain to your situation. Believe that Jesus is the only name that God has placed above all principalities of the air. Believe
that God has given all power to Jesus to tread on scorpions and snakes.

[Eyelog]

Theres nothing that happens during oppression that is different than everyday life. How is a voice or a thought anymore despicable than the rebellion in our own hearts? Whats so new about it? How is the face of evil any different than the hands of evil?

It is easy for us to emphasize the one and sort of ignore the other, at any given moment. But the two oppressees below do not seem to be doing that. The one tried repenting of strongholds and cleaned out his closet. No help, he says.

But the truth is that there are lines of authority with both God's angels and His demons. "His" demons, one might ask?

The adversary is an adversary to the believer only because God has given him authority. The question, moment to moment, is how much authority and for what purpose. See Job, as a handy example, right? God Himself was seeking to refine Job through the use of His arch demon. And it sucked, ... majorly.

Job could have said and done the same things Janfow said and did, but the 'trial' would have continued. It had a purpose beyond the desires of Satan. It had specific forms of persecution and limits. It seriously affected those in Job's life, and stripped him down to nothing.

So, the question becomes, what is it you fear?

Do not fear men. Got it. Check.
Do not fear Satan and his demons. Check?
Fear the one who can throw you, body and soul, into Hell, where the worm never dies and the flame never recedes. Check?

Check out how Job was doing in the latter category. He didn't fixate on the messenger (Satan), but he had a real problem with fearing the Lord.

The name of Christ is not "void" as the title to this post asks. But the name of Christ is effective, as you seem to suggest, only as it is lived, far more than it is effective only as an incantation -- though it is effective there as well.

But why is the name of Christ effective at all?

Lines of spiritual authority set out by God, all designed and clearly leading right back to the Father. The covering of Christ upon our lives is not a simple thing, especially when one considers that we are meant to attain to the full stature of Christ, as our brother Episkopos has said elsewhere. If we aren't fully on that path, look out. God will allow what we don't want.

On the other hand, if we are on that path, look out. God will allow what we don't want.

Given the choice between doing nothing and something, I'd take the latter anyday, for then the suffering is not without meaning, but it has us on a path toward attaining to higher and higher degrees of righteousness, of the character of Christ, of the divine nature, of the new anthropos (man), and so on.

This is the spiritual warfare we should seek out. All this being a seer stuff, if all it does is report how the spiritual plane is functioning around the sedentary believer is both a waste of time, and, as Episkopos so rightly points out, ... asking for it.

All would do far better to be on the proactive path to becoming just like Jesus. For He was not without his challenges from Satan, but He overcame them all.


Edited point: This is not to say the purpose of every allowed oppression is spiritual growth of the believer. Take those freed by Jesus in the Gospels, as well as the clairvoyant girl whose demon Paul expelled, as examples. But if a believer is oppressed, the question should first be, are you on the road to proactive sanctification? For the 1% who are, the question in the midst of persecution making adjustments is, who do you fear?

[Michelle71]

Even though God uses what He uses for specific reasons, that does not mean evil should not be stood against, or exposed. Because God allows the pit to be made does not mean we should fall into it. Or become fearful of
what is inside it.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Psa 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

[Eyelog]

Even though God uses what He uses for specific reasons, that does not mean evil should not be stood against, or exposed. Because God allows the pit to be made does not mean we should fall into it. Or become fearful of
what is inside it.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Psa 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Well said, sister. Was not posting in direct response to you, of course. I welcome insights like the type you describe as an adjunct to my own knowledge and walk.

However, I do urge that too many feel we ought to have peace as Christians even when we are not on the path of proactive sanctification. While the Lord does as He chooses, and He is compassionate and allows us seasons of peace to rest, the majority of our time in the Lord we should be seeking our practicalsanctification with all our heart, soul, mind and strength. I use the term, practical sanctification,of course, to refer to the process of becoming more like Christ, as per Ephesians 4:13. Obviously, we are positionally sanctified through and through, but we are not automatically able to walk in that once having been regenerated. Would you agree?

[Michelle71]

but we are not automatically able to walk in that once having been regenerated. Would you agree?

Sanctification means to become holy, purified, and consecrated. The power of the Holy Spirit working fruit into the soul. In my opinion this is a different type of power that is placed in the person for when they are ready to spread the Gospel and do works with miracles following. Same Sprit, different power or ability. First one for sanctification, then the other for works. However, a complete sanctification does not happen before He uses a person for His purpose, but it does seem that practice in dependence upon Him for sanctification happens before He puts a nail gun in the hand. Paul was 3 years with the Lord in the wilderness learning and applying this sanctification before he went out on his ministry with the power of God’s Spirit.

Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I con-ferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

This begs a question then. Does becoming holy or sanctified/pleasing to the Lord automatically happen when we first become Christians? NO! It is a process of allowing His Spirit the freedom of searching the heart. Not all things are gross sin, but for one reason or another are not quite beneficial or pleasing to Him.

1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

This is a life long process, and there are times that temptations get the upper hand. Even over things that we thought were already sanctified. This is why a strong devotional life is so important. Among other things it causes our heart to remain pliable in His hands. Which means being willing to hear and do what He says through the Word, both written and spoken in the heart, and consider what He says through other saints. A word of caution though, manipulation of guilt by both demons and men is a powerful tool of stumbling. Lay all things down before the Lord before accepting blame from the mouth of men, or thoughts that suddenly accuse.

[Eyelog]

Sanctification means to become holy, purified, and consecrated. The power of the Holy Spirit working fruit into the soul. In my opinion this is a different type of power that is placed in the person for when they are ready to spread the Gospel and do works with miracles following. Same Sprit, different power or ability. First one for sanctification, then the other for works. However, a complete sanctification does not happen before He uses a person for His purpose, but it does seem that practice in dependence upon Him for sanctification happens before He puts a nail gun in the hand. Paul was 3 years with the Lord in the wilderness learning and applying this sanctification before he went out on his ministry with the power of God’s Spirit.



This begs a question then. Does becoming holy or sanctified/pleasing to the Lord automatically happen when we first become Christians? NO! It is a process of allowing His Spirit the freedom of searching the heart. Not all things are gross sin, but for one reason or another are not quite beneficial or pleasing to Him.



This is a life long process, and there are times that temptations get the upper hand. Even over things that we thought were already sanctified. This is why a strong devotional life is so important. Among other things it causes our heart to remain pliable in His hands. Which means being willing to hear and do what He says through the Word, both written and spoken in the heart, and consider what He says through other saints. A word of caution though, manipulation of guilt by both demons and men is a powerful tool of stumbling. Lay all things down before the Lord before accepting blame from the mouth of men, or thoughts that suddenly accuse.

Amen. Nice explication!

[willow tree]

HI.

I don't know if this has been resolved or not, but will offer my thoughts and see if it helps.

First - anytime you engage in prophecy you are opening yourself up to something that is less than the full grace of God. Stuff happens too fast, and unless you have the right training and done a lot of work - you really DON'T know what you are doing. It's a little like driving down the highway, and you see a car oncoming. Your eye can only discern speed accurately at under 12 mph hour or so. After that - the car can be doing 30, 60, 90 - you can't *really* judge the distance. Soo... my first piece of advice is stop trying to tap this prophecy thing, unless you've gone to a real and legitimate seminary that will teach you these things. I don't mean the bargain ba$$ement kind - I mean something that has been established for at least 500 years - and has a body of information that has been passed down in the appropriate way.

Second - when you can't see God - all that is happening (and I don't say that as lightly as it sounds) - is you are focusing on the devil. So - you know where the pit is - just don't go there! Turn yourself around, back away - do what it takes to focus on God. There is a different answer for every person. Something as simple as saying the Our Father can give you all the protection you need and the map home.

Third - if that demon wants something from you - and they always do - you just say your soul belongs to God - and in that moment - you will and intend your soul to the one God above us all.

Good luck with this.

[Scooby_Snacks]

HI.

I don't know if this has been resolved or not, but will offer my thoughts and see if it helps.

First - anytime you engage in prophecy you are opening yourself up to something that is less than the full grace of God. Stuff happens too fast, and unless you have the right training and done a lot of work - you really DON'T know what you are doing. It's a little like driving down the highway, and you see a car oncoming. Your eye can only discern speed accurately at under 12 mph hour or so. After that - the car can be doing 30, 60, 90 - you can't *really* judge the distance. Soo... my first piece of advice is stop trying to tap this prophecy thing, unless you've gone to a real and legitimate seminary that will teach you these things. I don't mean the bargain ba$$ement kind - I mean something that has been established for at least 500 years - and has a body of information that has been passed down in the appropriate way.

Second - when you can't see God - all that is happening (and I don't say that as lightly as it sounds) - is you are focusing on the devil. So - you know where the pit is - just don't go there! Turn yourself around, back away - do what it takes to focus on God. There is a different answer for every person. Something as simple as saying the Our Father can give you all the protection you need and the map home.

Third - if that demon wants something from you - and they always do - you just say your soul belongs to God - and in that moment - you will and intend your soul to the one God above us all.

Good luck with this.

Hi willow tree, welcome to Bible Forums!
Can you explain what you mean by prophecy being less than the full grace of God..and needing to be trained by earthly man in this area, when one has the Holy Spirit and Gods Word?

Thanks~

[willow tree]

Scooby -

I was raised old style Catholic, and over the years have seen a lot of "prophecies" - both Christian and non. Just look at the mayhem we just got through with the Mayan 2012 thing. Going back in time - Heaven's Gate, the cult in Russia a few years ago, and those being lead down the wrong path$$$ in Africa to the point where they crucify cats and burn their own children as witches because a misguided mi$$ionary is not properly trained and may even be mistaking diabetic seizures for possession.

Yes - God can send messages through the angels and so on - but... that happens,to my thinking because discernment is not divorced from ego - so it is impossible to know the source. (adding this - in that respect - even if you think it is an angel - the demon you recognize later on - they can be one and the same.)

If there is a demon attacking - I am also going to say uncategorically speaking - something serious is out of alignment within the person. And yes - even professionals that have been trained can lose the path - but at least there are others that can be of assistance in seminary systems that have withstood not just the test of money and the contemporary community- they have withstood the test of time. I just don't see the kind of support needed in most of these bargain basement setups, nor do I see the commitment to training - to the sacrifice of pride. And - when you work solitary - there is also a risk because you will always have blind spots. That's just the way it is.

[Scooby_Snacks]

Thanks Willowtree..sorry its been a while.

I think perhaps the idea of a school for Prophets stems from 2 Kings.

Now the sons of the prophets said to Elisha, “See, the place where we dwell under your charge is too small for us.
(2 Kings 6:1 ESV)

I imagine any of the gifts God bestows on individuals can be enhanced in developement by having a mentor who has sound biblical understanding as well as experience in the area of gifting. Im not so sure about seminary so much as God leading and directing a person to seek wise mature believers that have stood the test of time and accountability. I believe God brings specific people into our lives to encourage and mentor us as we seek, and we can be assured as we ask God for them.