Article: Who were the "sons of God" in Genesis 6?

[zoe4me]

Study of Dead Sea Scrolls, will clear of this teaching about sons of God being Adams descendants. They were 200 watchers angels sent to earth to observe mankind. In the dead sea scrolls they found 2 more old testament historical books we don'y have in our English bibles. Of the top 16 O.T. books 39 copies of Psalms were found making it number one. The second book was Deuteronomy @ 33 copies or piece of copies, Ranked third was the book of Enoch with 25 copies, Genesis @ 24 copies, Isaiah @ 22 copies, Seventh was Jubilees with 21 Copies, and the list gets smaller. The book of Esther was the only O.T. book not found. These two new historical book were canon during Jesus time so why are they not now. They clearly explain the sons of God in Genesis 6.
I have always had a problem with the NUMBER of books in our bible. 66 books, come on Christrians, the number 6 says not complete and it is the number of man and 66 doubles the meaning of six. Then there is the number 666 we all know. THERE IS AT LEAST 70 BOOKS and here is two of them. These books will totally answer this discussion once and for all. The books can be ordered from Amazon. The dead sea scrolls is the greatest discovery of our time.

[zoe4me]

If you have questions as to whether these giants existed and you don't want to believe the word of God. I suggest you look at the fossil record. On the web type in giant sheletons or giant shulls and you will find all the proof you should need.
Jude quotes the book of Enoch. Jude says these bad angels are imprisoned until the judgement of the great day. Well you have to answer the question why are some bad angels put in prison and some are free to cause us so much trouble.
Verse 7 of the book of Jude says, Just as Sodom and Gomorrah-------ANGELS IN THE SAME WAY AS SODOM AND GOMORRAH indulged in gross sexual sins and went AFTER STRANGE FLESH or flesh that was different than their own kind . Sodom had a problem, they were having sex with animals, angels were having sex with humans.
Plus 2 Peter 2:4-5 tells us that these angels spoken of in Jude caused the flood during Noah's day.
Plus 1 Peter 3:20 comfirms this also. These bad angels did this act during Noah's day not during the time of Adams and Eve.
The book of Jude, epistles of Peter, book of Genesis, Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees, and the book of Jasher tell about this event when the sons of God (angels) tryed to distroy God's creation. Which caused God to send the flood and destroy all their children. He took these 200 angels and imprisoned them in the earth in a place called Tartarus. The spirits of the giants which were half angel and half human were left to roam the earth after the flood. Fallen angels and demons are two different beings. THESE ARE THE DEMONS that are without a body. They get in human bodies til this day causing all kind of sickness. Jesus cast out demons because they were causing sickness and then He healed the body. Noah came to God complaining about these very spirits and said they were destroying his families. In response God imprisoned these spirits also. But Satan then came complaining to God and said he could not properly temp man without these demons. God then release 10% of them to assist Satan. This story is found in the book of Jubilees.

[Sojourner55]

If you have questions as to whether these giants existed and you don't want to believe the word of God. I suggest you look at the fossil record. On the web type in giant sheletons or giant shulls and you will find all the proof you should need.
Jude quotes the book of Enoch. Jude says these bad angels are imprisoned until the judgement of the great day. Well you have to answer the question why are some bad angels put in prison and some are free to cause us so much trouble.
Verse 7 of the book of Jude says, Just as Sodom and Gomorrah-------ANGELS IN THE SAME WAY AS SODOM AND GOMORRAH indulged in gross sexual sins and went AFTER STRANGE FLESH or flesh that was different than their own kind . Sodom had a problem, they were having sex with animals, angels were having sex with humans.
Plus 2 Peter 2:4-5 tells us that these angels spoken of in Jude caused the flood during Noah's day.
Plus 1 Peter 3:20 comfirms this also. These bad angels did this act during Noah's day not during the time of Adams and Eve.
The book of Jude, epistles of Peter, book of Genesis, Book of Enoch, Book of Jubilees, and the book of Jasher tell about this event when the sons of God (angels) tryed to distroy God's creation. Which caused God to send the flood and destroy all their children. He took these 200 angels and imprisoned them in the earth in a place called Tartarus. The spirits of the giants which were half angel and half human were left to roam the earth after the flood. Fallen angels and demons are two different beings. THESE ARE THE DEMONS that are without a body. They get in human bodies til this day causing all kind of sickness. Jesus cast out demons because they were causing sickness and then He healed the body. Noah came to God complaining about these very spirits and said they were destroying his families. In response God imprisoned these spirits also. But Satan then came complaining to God and said he could not properly temp man without these demons. God then release 10% of them to assist Satan. This story is found in the book of Jubilees.

1. You should not presume a disbelief in the Word of God on the part of those who disagree with your interpretation of Scripture. There are pros and cons regarding both popular positions on the sons of God--which should be clear if you actually read the discussions. Unless you have evidence that God spoke to you personally about the matter, you should use caution in assuming that disagreement with your views, with disbelief in the Bible.

2. You should do a little research about the authenticity of things like the giant skeletons, before you stake your credibility and reputation on them. The images you refer to have proved to be computer-generated entries in a digital artist competition:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...cal-Giants.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...res/index.html

[zoe4me]

1. You should not presume a disbelief in the Word of God on the part of those who disagree with your interpretation of Scripture. There are pros and cons regarding both popular positions on the sons of God--which should be clear if you actually read the discussions. Unless you have evidence that God spoke to you personally about the matter, you should use caution in assuming that disagreement with your views, with disbelief in the Bible.

2. You should do a little research about the authenticity of things like the giant skeletons, before you stake your credibility and reputation on them. The images you refer to have proved to be computer-generated entries in a digital artist competition:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...cal-Giants.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...res/index.html

1.Yes God does speak to me almost every day. I speak to my Heavenly Father every day, it is called a relationship. You can not have much of a relationship without communication. Does God not speak to you? John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice (HEAR MY VOICE), and I know them, and they follow Me. Don't you hear the voice of God". If you don't then you are not a sojourner. The Holy Spirit, who is the third person of the God Head, John 16:13 "He will guide you into ALL THE TRUTH". He dwells within me and communicates with me. And yes His Spirit has confirmed that the sons of God in Genesis 6 are fallen Angels! The dead sea scrolls provided more books of the bible. 66 books is just not all of the canon. God is more about 70 that He is 66! The 4 books that have been missing gives much more of the history on Genesis 1-6. The devil hates these missing books. The people that support your view have little if no evidence. Just because people believe something, don't make it true. Just like the dumb theory of evolution. Just because over 55% of the scientist believe it don't make it true and is not evidence for the theory. Read 1John 2:27 "His anointing teaches you about all things and is true is not a lie,"

2. I have done a lot of research in my life time and the two web links, you gave me, are produced and supported by Evolutionist that filter out everything in the fossil record that provide proof for these Giants. The Giant human half angel fossils and the strange skulls that are found all over the earth are not aliens but the children of the fallen angels. You need to reconsider after giving me these two evolution links. Evolution has zero, not any evidence for its existence and is only supported by our tax dollars or it would die. I truly don't mean to offend you. God is all about TRUTH, the word of God is sharper that a two edged sword. My responsibility is the put forth the truth and it is not my responsibility to make anyone believe. May the God of Creation bless you. I will bring you before my Father in the morning and ask Him to remove the blindness from your eyes that prevent you from seeing the truth, Be sure to watch this first link I sent you.

P.S. Her are some links to the fossil record on Giants. These are not in a photo contest. Watch this evidence on u-tube.

AWESOME VIDEO EVIDENCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR7_r...feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbdjiOl0hs&NR=1
http://fooyoh.com/car_video/watch/fWZF9ZYXlJU
http://fooyoh.com/car_video/watch/zl8Hmko2wlo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X09ui...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC8wW...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMofrAm_xhE&feature=fvsr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO-Rb...feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0G-B...eature=related

[zoe4me]

kahtar

Yes, the entities referred to as sons of God in Job 38 are angels. They are not fallen angels otherwise they would not be joyous before God they would be grumbling in the background or something.

My point is this (in reference to Job)... Satan was among the sons of God. If I were to write a book and say that Noah, among the animals, entered the Ark and etc... this would not be enough reason to assume that Noah was an animal. It simply means that Noah was among the animals when he entered the ark. I guess what I‘m trying to say is that it's possible that the author of Job meant for us to understand that the sons of God were presenting themselves to God and Satan in his cunning and crafty ways thought he could slip into His presence. And he is not a son of God but he figured that he could slip in with the group. This is pure speculation, I know, but this is one way to see it. Sorry if I sound like I’m obsessing over this key point.

Nobody denies the phrase “sons of God” refer to angels, but can't it also refer to man? I have a question. Are their other phrases that work this way also where they have dual meaning based on context but kinda mysterious as well.

I don't know how to address the idea of DNA manipulation or anything like that. You should write a book and make a movie about it and put the Gospel in somehow, I would buy a for all my co-workers. It sounds like one of those new age/aliens/end of world theories my co-workers tell me about. They believe that aliens, who Christians call demons or fallen angels, modified human DNA in the past and we are all coming up to another one-thousand years of enlightenment when the Mayan calendar resets and well realize the reason for the pyramids etc...

It's tempting to speculate further about this but I suppose it would explain some oddities in this world if I allowed it to. Is any more scripture found anywhere else about this topic in the bible?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR7_r...feature=fvwrel

[zoe4me]

I think your study is as much a possibility as the 'angel' interpretation. A couple questions, tho.
1. What did Jude mean about the angels leaving their 'first estate'?
2. Why is the idea that fallen angels left their first estate to take on human form and then procreate such a distasteful one?
Well, okay, more than a couple questions,
3. Considering the fact that man can and does today manipulate genes so that pigs and other creatures can grow human parts, clone animals (and man if the truth were known), why is it so beyond the realm of possibility that the fallen angels were playing with the same thing?
4. Why, out of all the people groups on the planet, did God single out that one race, in which were the physical giants like Goliath, for total annihilation by Jacob's children? All other gentile nations were allowed to be prosylytes, all nations were to be blessed through the seed of Abraham, but that one nation was to be wiped out completely. Why no mercy for them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR7_r...feature=fvwrel

[Sojourner55]

1.Yes God does speak to me almost every day. I speak to my Heavenly Father every day, it is called a relationship. You can not have much of a relationship without communication. Does God not speak to you? John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice (HEAR MY VOICE), and I know them, and they follow Me. Don't you hear the voice of God". If you don't then you are not a sojourner. The Holy Spirit, who is the third person of the God Head, John 16:13 "He will guide you into ALL THE TRUTH". He dwells within me and communicates with me. And yes His Spirit has confirmed that the sons of God in Genesis 6 are fallen Angels! The dead sea scrolls provided more books of the bible. 66 books is just not all of the canon. God is more about 70 that He is 66! The 4 books that have been missing gives much more of the history on Genesis 1-6. The devil hates these missing books. The people that support your view have little if no evidence. Just because people believe something, don't make it true. Just like the dumb theory of evolution. Just because over 55% of the scientist believe it don't make it true and is not evidence for the theory. Read 1John 2:27 "His anointing teaches you about all things and is true is not a lie,"

2. I have done a lot of research in my life time and the two web links, you gave me, are produced and supported by Evolutionist that filter out everything in the fossil record that provide proof for these Giants. The Giant human half angel fossils and the strange skulls that are found all over the earth are not aliens but the children of the fallen angels. You need to reconsider after giving me these two evolution links. Evolution has not any evidence for its existence and is only supported by our tax dollars or it would die. I truly don't mean to offend you. God is all about TRUTH, the word of God is sharper that a two edged sword. My responsibility is the put forth the truth and it is not my responsibility to make anyone believe. May the God of Creation bless you.

P.S. Her are some links to the fossil record on Giants. These are not in a photo contest. Watch this evidence on u-tube.

AWESOME VIDEO EVIDENCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR7_r...feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbdjiOl0hs&NR=1
http://fooyoh.com/car_video/watch/fWZF9ZYXlJU
http://fooyoh.com/car_video/watch/zl8Hmko2wlo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X09ui...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC8wW...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMofrAm_xhE&feature=fvsr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO-Rb...feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0G-B...eature=related

None of these videos provide bona fide evidence for the authenticity of your claims. You are obviously convinced that they are genuine, and you are certainly entitled to that opinion. I personally don't put as much importance on the identity of the ancient sons of God as you seem to. It's much more important to me that I am a son of God, and that I share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with others. God bless.

[zoe4me]

1. My bona fided evidence is the word of the living God not these videos. I was just responding to the two heathen evolutionary web links, that came from the kingdom of darkness, you claimed as evidence.

My evidence is Genesis 6 and the Hebrew words for sons of God, Jude 6 & 7, 1 Peter 3:18-20, 2 Peter 2:4-5, 1 Enoch chapters 14 & 15, the book of Jubilees and the book of Jasher, plus the over whelming evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls speaking so much on this subject. That is my evidence.
Son of God or sons of God are always speaking of beings created by God. Adam was a son of God and all of his children were sons of Adam born in his own likeness and after Adam own image Genesis 5:3, sons of Adam is correct not sons of God. Adam created these sons not God. Sons of God in scriptures in the plural in Hebrew always referrs to angels. This is not a matter of interpretation but a matter of whether you believe the word of God or not.
Adam - son of God............created by God from the dirt, Perfect
Angels - sons of God.........created by God, Perfect
Jesus - Son of God, Perfect,.........God created a seed in the womb of Mary not a seed created by Adam. Because Adam's seed always produces the Sin Nature.

Sons created by Adam are not sons of God but sons of Adam and all receive the sin nature from Adam and most of them are darkened in their understanding, excluded from the Zoe life of God as found in Ephesians 4:8. You found the time to write the article which shows you are darkened in your understanding. Maybe you should stick to spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ in its simply ways and not write on the Giants of Genesis 6. I don't mean to offend you but this article you wrote is a serious challenge against the word of God. The dead sea scrolls is a 1000 year older documents of the word of God and closer to Jesus time that He was on the earth. This is a link that may help, look closely at page 12-14 and how many copies they have found of first Enoch and the book of Jubilees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_scrolls


2. By what right do you claim to be a son of God, were you created. You are a son of Adam and all the people on the earth are sons of Adam unless you can find any that were created perfect directly by God without a sin nature. A direct creation by God are sons of God and they are always created perfect. Angels were not born but directly created.
I know that the preaching of the gospel is the most important thing. Our church saw 3060 souls get saved and join the kingdom on Easter Sunday and we baptize 1109 the following sunday. http://churchofthehighlands.com/ I know about winning the lost but you were the one that originated this article with no solid evidence from the word of God concerning the Hebrew words "sons of God". I have prayed for you today and hope you have a blessed day please don't take this the wrong way. I am just defending God's Word.

[Sojourner55]

1. My bona fided evidence is the word of the living God not these videos. I was just responding to the two heathen evolutionary web links, that came from the kingdom of darkness, you claimed as evidence.

Well, first of all, I'm not presenting anything from the kingdom of darkness. I was simply demonstrating the truth that the images you perceive as evidence for giants were never intended to be represented as genuine; but rather originated as digital art projects in a contest. But if you choose to believe the images depict real giants, that's your prerogative. However, if they were genuine, I assure you, they would not be found only on the internet, but would be world news.

My evidence is Genesis 6 and the Hebrew words for sons of God, Jude 6 & 7, 1 Peter 3:18-20, 2 Peter 2:4-5, 1 Enoch chapters 14 & 15, the book of Jubilees and the book of Jasher, plus the over whelming evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls speaking so much on this subject. That is my evidence.
Son of God or sons of God are always speaking of beings created by God. Adam was a son of God and all of his children were sons of Adam born in his own likeness and after Adam own image Genesis 5:3, sons of Adam is correct not sons of God. Adam created these sons not God. Sons of God in scriptures in the plural in Hebrew always referrs to angels. This is not a matter of interpretation but a matter of whether you believe the word of God or not.
Adam - son of God............created by God from the dirt, Perfect
Angels - sons of God.........created by God, Perfect
Jesus - Son of God, Perfect,.........God created a seed in the womb of Mary not a seed created by Adam. Because Adam's seed always produces the Sin Nature.

Sons created by Adam are not sons of God but sons of Adam and all receive the sin nature from Adam and most of them are darkened in their understanding, excluded from the Zoe life of God as found in Ephesians 4:8. You found the time to write the article which shows you are darkened in your understanding. Maybe you should stick to spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ in its simply ways and not write on the Giants of Genesis 6. I don't mean to offend you but this article you wrote is a serious challenge against the word of God. The dead sea scrolls is a 1000 year older documents of the word of God and closer to Jesus time that He was on the earth. This is a link that may help, look closely at page 12-14 and how many copies they have found of first Enoch and the book of Jubilees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_scrolls

My article represents one possible interpretation of the passage in question, not a denial of some clear, God-breathed truth from Scripture. If you had bothered to read the comments that followed the article, you would see that I had a very pleasant exchange with brethren who see it as you do. And while we disagreed as to the interpretation of the passage, we enjoyed fellowship and a good exchange of ideas as brothers in the Lord--rather than accusing each other of denying the Word of God, as you have chosen to do. I understand zeal for the truth of the Bible, but you are as emotional about the sons of God matter as if one's relationship with God were contingent on how it is interpreted. That, I don't understand.

2. By what right do you claim to be a son of God, were you created. You are a son of Adam and all the people on the earth are sons of Adam unless you can find any that were created perfect directly by God without a sin nature. A direct creation by God are sons of God and they are always created perfect. Angels were not born but directly created.

The right I claim to be called a son of God comes from Scripture:

3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (1John 3:1-2)

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13)

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
(Rom 8:14-15)

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
(Rom 8:19-21)

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; (Phil 2:13-15)

[zoe4me]

I have no doubt that you are a son of God. Great explanation of the reason you believe. I questioned it because of this other stuff you have written.

The first comment about photo contest is a dumb answer. There is an effort by non-believers and evolutionist to block out all fossil evidence that disprove their stupid God hating theory. All of the fossils of these strange skulls is not a contest except in your mind. Are you affraid to view these skulls, they are all over South America? They control most media, maybe not Fox News. All the photo links which I sent you, you must not have viewed or the enemy has blinded your mind to the truth about this subject.
Yes this is important because that is what caused the flood and the spirits of the giants are still with us today in the form of demonic beings without bodies. They blind people and cause sickness and get in human bodies.

[teddyv]

You have a unrealistic view of science and scientists if you believe there is some secret cabal out there suppressing evidence. You simply cannot control people or evidence to the extent you are suggesting.

[Sojourner55]

Where are the living descendants of these giants today? They should still be among us, since their DNA became a part of the gene pool that extended beyond the period following the Flood, and would have continued in the gene pool long after the last of the Biblical giants lived. At the very least, we should have a number of modern human beings of truly extraordinary height. Instead, 7 feet is considered highly uncommon. The most extreme case we have is Robert Wadlow, the tallest living man whose height has been documented; and he was less than 9 feet tall.

Also, consider the following information from the Book of Enoch--among the sources you draw upon for your evidence:
Enoch VII
1. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
(Enoch 7:1-6)

An "ell" equals a cubit, and a Biblical cubit equals approximately 18 inches. At 3000 ells, these guys would have been over a mile in height!!! They could have used the statue of liberty as a toothpick! Do you honestly put that much credibility in these extra-Biblical sources? May I suggest you find other topics of discussion on this board for study? This one is just too open to opinion and speculation to become so emotionally invested in. God bless, my brother.

[teddyv]

Where are the living descendants of these giants today? They should still be among us, since their DNA became a part of the gene pool that extended beyond the period following the Flood, and would have continued in the gene pool long after the last of the Biblical giants lived. At the very least, we should have a number of modern human beings of truly extraordinary height. Instead, 7 feet is considered highly uncommon. The most extreme case we have is Robert Wadlow, the tallest living man whose height has been documented; and he was less than 9 feet tall.

Either the Masai or the Dutch, or both!

[Sojourner55]

You have a unrealistic view of science and scientists if you believe there is some secret cabal out there suppressing evidence. You simply cannot control people or evidence to the extent you are suggesting.

I can't imagine anyone suppressing the discovery of giant skeletons, can you? Even if many contended they were evidence for the veracity of the Bible, the scientists of the world would be drooling all over themselves to get at them--not denying their existence.

[teddyv]

I can't imagine anyone suppressing the discovery of giant skeletons, can you? Even if many contended they were evidence for the veracity of the Bible, the scientists of the world would be drooling all over themselves to get at them--not denying their existence.

Uh oh. I think that makes it twice that we agree!