Iran starts building a nuclear weapon: US and Israel tighten cooperation

[Kahtar]

http://debka.com/article/21589/
Iran has embarked on "activities related to possible weaponization," said American sources Thursday, Dec. 22, thereby accounting for the dramatic reversal of the Obama administration's wait-and-see attitude on attacking Iran. The change was articulated this week by US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Chairman of the Joint US Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey.

[Fenris]

I don't know that debka has ever been correct.

[MoreMercy]

I am thinking that even if Iran could be kept from building one, a country with such recourse's and influence as Iran has, they could still obtain such a weapon by other means.

Iran's future is not going to change with out changing their own leadership, they need to do that, not the US or Israel or any other sovereign state.

This attitude that the US must lord over the Nations of the earth is why our many enemies leadership/governments desires such weapon to begin with.


Father bless and have mercy on us.

[danield]

I believe they have had a working weapon for several years.

[Warrior4God]

I believe they have had a working weapon for several years.

I seriously doubt that. If they had, why wouldn't they have used it by now? They've vowed to destroy Israel. Is Iran suddenly all warm and fuzzy with the thought of sharing the earth with a race of people they think of as dogs even when they supposedly have the means to destroy many of them? They also think they'll bring about the return of their Muslim Messiah if they start war with Israel, yet, they're just sitting around and not using nuclear weapons that they supposedly possess? That makes absolutely no sense to me. I think they're getting closer to having one, but I don't believe they have one now or have had one for several years. With the way Israel and the United States are dragging their feet in matters, however, it won't be much longer until we hear the announcement from Iran themselves that, hey, they have nukes!

[Lone Arranger]

No fret. Whatever is going on is all according to prophecy.

[MoreMercy]

No fret. Whatever is going on is all according to prophecy.

Amen to that !
Come Lord, come !
God bless you, good servant and friend of my Master !

[danield]

I seriously doubt that. If they had, why wouldn't they have used it by now? They've vowed to destroy Israel. Is Iran suddenly all warm and fuzzy with the thought of sharing the earth with a race of people they think of as dogs even when they supposedly have the means to destroy many of them? They also think they'll bring about the return of their Muslim Messiah if they start war with Israel, yet, they're just sitting around and not using nuclear weapons that they supposedly possess? That makes absolutely no sense to me. I think they're getting closer to having one, but I don't believe they have one now or have had one for several years. With the way Israel and the United States are dragging their feet in matters, however, it won't be much longer until we hear the announcement from Iran themselves that, hey, they have nukes!

I think there was a stuudy that showed they had enough material to make a nuke three years ago, and it was a critical decision at the end of bushes administration on weather to attack them then or not. The economy was in the brink of a disaster and he opted not to for what ever reason. I believe their program was not far enough along to make a huge difference in a world affairs. They are testing long range missiles now so I can only assume they are trying to perfect their delivery systems now. Obviously they have not tested the nuke, but I do believe they have one. With computers so powerful now, I think the required knowledge it takes to build one is not enormous like it was in the 50's where all your calculations were done by hand. The hard part of building a nuke is in the development of the raw materials which they have been doing for over 5 years in public. I believe their intentions are to pave the way for a unified Arab nation.

[Warrior4God]

I think there was a stuudy that showed they had enough material to make a nuke three years ago, and it was a critical decision at the end of bushes administration on weather to attack them then or not. The economy was in the brink of a disaster and he opted not to for what ever reason. I believe their program was not far enough along to make a huge difference in a world affairs. They are testing long range missiles now so I can only assume they are trying to perfect their delivery systems now. Obviously they have not tested the nuke, but I do believe they have one. With computers so powerful now, I think the required knowledge it takes to build one is not enormous like it was in the 50's where all your calculations were done by hand. The hard part of building a nuke is in the development of the raw materials which they have been doing for over 5 years in public. I believe their intentions are to pave the way for a unified Arab nation.

Iran may have had various components that make up a nuclear weapon for several years, but they obviously don't have a fully functioning and ready to launch nuclear warhead...yet. I really believe they would have used it by now if they had one. It's just a matter of time until they do, though. And Israel and the United States won't stop it from happening. It's almost as if, despite their public denouncing of Iranian nuclear weapons, the United States and Israel actually want Iran to get a nuke... When Iran does get a nuke, and they will, I'm pretty confident that it's just a matter of time until they unleash their vesion of Armageddon on Israel. They may practice on neighboring Muslim nations first, but Israel is most definitely in their crosshairs.

[Clavicula_Nox]

I think there was a stuudy that showed they had enough material to make a nuke three years ago, and it was a critical decision at the end of bushes administration on weather to attack them then or not. The economy was in the brink of a disaster and he opted not to for what ever reason. I believe their program was not far enough along to make a huge difference in a world affairs. They are testing long range missiles now so I can only assume they are trying to perfect their delivery systems now. Obviously they have not tested the nuke, but I do believe they have one. With computers so powerful now, I think the required knowledge it takes to build one is not enormous like it was in the 50's where all your calculations were done by hand. The hard part of building a nuke is in the development of the raw materials which they have been doing for over 5 years in public. I believe their intentions are to pave the way for a unified Arab nation.

Why would Iran want to pave the way for a unified Arab nation?

[danield]

Clavicula Nox, I believe that Ahmadinejad wants to facilitate the rise of the Mahdi. I am pretty sure I have read several times that he believes in this sect of Islam. And correct me if I am wrong, but it is the challenge for the Mahdi to unite the Islam world under his leadership and defeat the foes of Islam. If Ahmadinejad abruptly attacks the west and Israel before an ample stock of weapons is achieved then I think he believes his main goal would have gone to waste. There would be no chance for the Mahdi to come to power under his influence. I have not ruled out that Ahmadinejad might believe he is the Mahdi. I believe that a united Islam organization (and a few other countries) under the Mahdi is where the ten Kings in Revelation comes from. They will all hate the harlot and will want to rob and burn her.

I have noticed how Russia through the years have been actively accelerating Iran’s nuclear program. They make no bones about it. They are helping them every chance they can get. I think at the end of the Bush’s administration there was a report that they were only a matter of a few months from achieving capacity for a nuclear bomb, and we hit the financial crisis, and Obama got elected. They have only become stronger in the past three years. The thing about building a nuclear bomb is that the radiation samples are traceable to a unique source. So If Russia sets off a bomb we know it came from them, and the same goes with pretty much every country who is a member of the nuclear community. However, there is no way to trace the mechanics of the detonators so Russia is in the clear if they sale Iran those components and Iran uses their own nuclear fuel for the fusion process.

Did anyone notice that Iran mentioned how easy it would be to shut down the straits of Hormuz route the other day? They are a very boastful country for someone who supposedly does not have a nuke. They also had a secret blast at Isfahan in western Iran last month so someone somewhere is trying to slow them down. This is the plant where they are enriching the uranium. From my basic understanding from chemistry, it is not hard to take the last steps for making weapons grade uranium when producing this fuel. They are testing longer range delivery systems so I am sold on the fact that they have a working bomb.

In any event, I do think if we attack Iran now we will be facing some sort of nuclear exchange in that region of the world. I also think that Ahmadinejad knows that he does not have to be the one that attacks first. He can claim victim status from the world if he waits for an attack to be launched on him and then he can retaliate. I honestly think he wants someone to attack him, and it is the reason he is so boastful.

[John 8:32]

Just trying to look at the 'under the counter' events occuring, it appears that Iran is headed for regime change not of their own doing. The U.S. super carrier Stennis is observing the 'naval exercises' of the Iranian navy. Iran has stated that if the US and Europe put pressure on them (sanctions, etc.) and/or Syria, they will close the Strait of Hormuz and push oil prices to $250 a barrel worldwide. Their current exercise appears to be practising laying mines. Two Marine Expeditionary Strike Groups, the Bataan and Makin Island are also now near Iranian waters, these are both Carriers in their own right, although smaller than the Super Carriers, they are filled with Marines whose job will be to attack Iranian coastal positions and secure the Persian Gulf. Also, it appears the super-carrier Strike groups Carl Vinson and Abraham Lincoln are now off Malaysia in route to the Iranian coast.

the invitation to Hamas to join the PLO is apparently without conditions and they will not have to concede Israel's right to exist. Hmmm, Hamas will surely attempt to take over the PLO. Things in that area of the world are surely heating up.

[Clavicula_Nox]

Clavicula Nox, I believe that Ahmadinejad wants to facilitate the rise of the Mahdi. I am pretty sure I have read several times that he believes in this sect of Islam. And correct me if I am wrong, but it is the challenge for the Mahdi to unite the Islam world under his leadership and defeat the foes of Islam. If Ahmadinejad abruptly attacks the west and Israel before an ample stock of weapons is achieved then I think he believes his main goal would have gone to waste. There would be no chance for the Mahdi to come to power under his influence. I have not ruled out that Ahmadinejad might believe he is the Mahdi. I believe that a united Islam organization (and a few other countries) under the Mahdi is where the ten Kings in Revelation comes from. They will all hate the harlot and will want to rob and burn her.

I have noticed how Russia through the years have been actively accelerating Iran’s nuclear program. They make no bones about it. They are helping them every chance they can get. I think at the end of the Bush’s administration there was a report that they were only a matter of a few months from achieving capacity for a nuclear bomb, and we hit the financial crisis, and Obama got elected. They have only become stronger in the past three years. The thing about building a nuclear bomb is that the radiation samples are traceable to a unique source. So If Russia sets off a bomb we know it came from them, and the same goes with pretty much every country who is a member of the nuclear community. However, there is no way to trace the mechanics of the detonators so Russia is in the clear if they sale Iran those components and Iran uses their own nuclear fuel for the fusion process.

Did anyone notice that Iran mentioned how easy it would be to shut down the straits of Hormuz route the other day? They are a very boastful country for someone who supposedly does not have a nuke. They also had a secret blast at Isfahan in western Iran last month so someone somewhere is trying to slow them down. This is the plant where they are enriching the uranium. From my basic understanding from chemistry, it is not hard to take the last steps for making weapons grade uranium when producing this fuel. They are testing longer range delivery systems so I am sold on the fact that they have a working bomb.

In any event, I do think if we attack Iran now we will be facing some sort of nuclear exchange in that region of the world. I also think that Ahmadinejad knows that he does not have to be the one that attacks first. He can claim victim status from the world if he waits for an attack to be launched on him and then he can retaliate. I honestly think he wants someone to attack him, and it is the reason he is so boastful.

You meant a Pan-Islamic state, then. The rebirth of the Caliphate. I was confused because Iranians are not Arabs and the Muslim mainstream is, of course, not Shi'a.

The biggest chink in this, and any other argument, is that in Iran's political system, Ahmadinejad is a domestic leader with no authority on foreign affairs.

[NHL Fever]

http://debka.com/article/21589/
Iran has embarked on "activities related to possible weaponization," said American sources Thursday, Dec. 22, thereby accounting for the dramatic reversal of the Obama administration's wait-and-see attitude on attacking Iran. The change was articulated this week by US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Chairman of the Joint US Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey.

This article does not cite any sources. I've never heard of this group before, the publishing looks really low-end, possibly like its run out of somebody's basement. Are any other sources corroborating this?

[Fenris]

Debka is not reliable.