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The Big Bang is scientifically proven to be the begin of the universe. Basically, something came from nothing. Now scientists don't like this idea, because it suggests there was a higher power involved. So they believe the big bang has something to do with the M-theory, or the atom came from another universe.
A few questions:
1. Can Christians believe in the M-theory/multiple universes?
2. Is there any evidence or proof against this?
Grand Master
As to 1, I don't see why not. I would place it in the same category as alien life, evolution, and old universe, etc, which is to say that the Bible is not intended to be a science book and does not address anything beyond the spiritual topics it needs to. God created the universe and everything in it, but exactly how He did it and what else might be out there besides us is completely up in the air because the Bible doesn't address it, nor was it intended to.
As for 2, I think I would say there might be some evidence, but I don't know enough about it at this time to give you a good answer on it. If I do some more research into the topics I might be able to give you a more satisfactory answer in the future.
justme
At what point did the Big Bang Theory become something more than a THEORY? How have they proven it to be fact?
Another universe? Grasping at straws, sounds like. But hey, anything to keep from admitting a higher power.
All glory to the King
First question, of course Christians can believe in the m-theory, the thought of an atom coming from a different universe is interesting, but the m-theory just causes more questions, if the m-theory is true then comes the thought, how were the other universe created, it can get pretty complex
Second question, what proof are you trying to find and for what reason are you trying to find it?
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To me, I guess I'm just a simple believer. The Bible says, in the very first verse:
"In the beginning...God CREATED the heavens and the earth."
So I just leave the 'How He Did It' up to him...............
My favorite scripture: Malachi 3:16
"Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name!" (Every time we speak of the Lord, or even THINK of him--its written down in a book of remembrance!)
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I see no reason to reject M theory based on the bible.I saw a video a few years ago that showed how it predicted very closely the distribution of hydrogen through the universe. It tries to explain why matter is not homogeneously scattered through the universe evenly. If that where so there would be no "clumps" of hydrogen to begin star formation.It is also one attempt to explain why the effects of gravity appear to instantaneous. It doesn't affect the need for a creator. It just puts off the question of the creation of matter in the same way that panspermia puts off the question of how life arose from non life.
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So where did the atom of the other universe come from? Also from nothingness ?Originally Posted by basketballforhim
As you see the introduction of multiverses by science is not going to solve the basic question, where does all the matter come from? Nothingness as science logically considers is not the most brilliant answer. But it's all they have.
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I'm not sure if it's scientifically proven or simply scientifically accepted, in the same way it was once scientifically accepted that the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.
If the atom came from another universe that just kicks the question of the origins back another level - it explains where this universe comes from but doesn't explain anything about this other theoretical universe.
Ultimately things come down to one of two options, "In the beginning god" or "in the beginning not-god" (I've used a small g intentionally on the basis that from the perspective of secular research the term "god" can refer to any eternal being/deity and not necessarily the Christian God).
If we accept "in the beginning not-god" then we are saying that either there is no god or that god is a being that has a beginning, in other words god was created by some process (again, small g intentional).
If we accept "in the beginning god" then we are saying that one or more eternal beings exist, in other words there is something out there that has no beginning, that is eternal. If we accept something that is outside of space-time as we understand it, it isn't so far fetched to believe that such a being could be outside of (and possibly the creator of) the rules of space-time as we know them.
If we accept "in the beginning god" then the idea of that god being the creator of everything makes sense. If we accept "in the beginning not-god" then every question we answer ends up just kicking the ball back a little further, coming up with all sorts of theories to compartmentalise one area of existence while never getting as far as the most basic question of what started it all rolling in the first place.
So on that basis I don't see why Christians shouldn't believe in any of these theories, all they do is present a range of scientific explanations for how God (with the capital G) might have gone about the process of creation. The Bible tells us that God created, it doesn't tell us how God created.
1Jn 4:1 NKJV Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Th 5:21-22 NKJV Test all things; hold fast what is good. (22) Abstain from every form of evil.
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They believe the other universes may be eternal
Posting Freak
In science, a "theory" is a collection of facts that explains a large number of observable phenomena. The word "theory" in its technical scientific sense does not mean "guess".
Einstein's mathematics showed that at some point in the finite past, the universe came into existence, and continues to expand. The mathematics were later verified by observation by Hubble, whose telescopic images proved that the universe was expanding. Since the universe is larger today than it was yesterday, it follows that the further backwards we go in time, the smaller the universe is. Eventually, if we go back far enough, we can shrink the universe into one extremely small point, or singularity. This is what Einstein's math had already shown.
It should be mentioned, however, that even though Einstein proved the big bang mathematically, he himself did not personally accept it. He thought the idea was too religious, and preferred to believe that the universe had just always been here. The belief in a big bang sounded too much like creation, and it follows that if there's a creation, there also must be a Creator.
Nevertheless, today the evidence for a big bang is so overwhelming that even atheist and agnostic physicists accept it.
It is quite possible that our own universe is only one among many, perhaps even an infinite number, of universes.Another universe? Grasping at straws, sounds like. But hey, anything to keep from admitting a higher power.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. - John 8:36
justme
The big bang theory is one of several current cosmological models, and undoubtedly the best one, but it remains a model, the 'best' explanation of the set of facts. It is by no means a 'fact'. As the 'best' model, it remains a guess, even though the best one.
It still does nothing more than explain what (probably)happened when God said 'Let there be...'.
Posting Freak
This is true, as of course there is no way to travel back and observe the actual creation. However, if Einstein's Relativity Theory is correct, so is the notion of the big bang.
There are a few alternatives out at the moment, the main one being that the big bang didn't result from a singularity, but rather came about as the result of two or more other universes crashing into other. This seems to me to be a way of trying to sidestep the obvious theological ramifications of the singularity-model big bang. If there was a big bang, there was a creation, and if there was a creation, there is a Creator.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. - John 8:36
Nescio
Which sounds pretty religious for an unbeliever
'Adonai Yeshua'
I'm curious as to how it was proven (big bang) because it was never seen by man, sorta like GOD (hint, hint) yet it's believed, here's a theory " GOD said BIG, then there was a BANG, works for me.
If Satan can keep us busy swinging our swords at one another, there is no hope of a united attack on the kingdom of darkness. KJV, NIV, ESV or ABCDEFG; there is no time to bicker over such things. We'll devour each other if allowed to continue. We should grab the marching orders written in the way we best understand and get to work.
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Posting Freak
Who made the universe that the atom came from?
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