Jesus, God's plan "B" for the human race

[Brother Mark]

Yep, all the shadows of what was to come are part of the first temporary plan always looking forward to the next plan, or stage of plan if you like. The whole point of "plan a" and "plan b" is to show that the first things were meant to be replaced.

Right on! Jesus always was the Plan even if the revelation of that was in stages.

Col 1:15-18

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created,both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
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and

Col 3:11
but Christ is all, and in all.
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and

Phil 2:9-10
9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
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He was the plan before the ages, the plan now, and the plan in the ages to come! And it was always for us to share and be in Him!

[ewq1938]

When you use it in that sense, I really would have no argument. It is the same as saying phase 2.

W

As long as we agree "phase 1" was cast away.

[Watchman]

Phase 1 is toast!

[Brits Van Wyk]

Hi Brits,
I can see why you would ask that. I didn't make the premise of my point very clear. "The law" began in the garden with the commandment "thou shalt not." The disobedience of Adam and Eve broke fellowship with God, and the long road to redemption was inaugurated. I believe the same type of animal sacrifice we see practiced by Noah and Abraham, and later established under Moses, began in the days of Adam, as alluded to in Gen 4:4. (I think we can safely assume that the sacrifice offered by Cain was rejected by God because it was not a blood sacrifice like Abel's, as required). As such, both "the law" as we understand it, and the blood sacrifice, were introduced soon after the banishment from the garden, rather than some 2000 years later, as we commonly think. The establishment of the law and the Levitical priesthood therefore, were simply a more structured continuation of what began earlier, and continued until the resurrection of Jesus.

So, then, I view Jesus as the second stage and ultimate completion of the one plan of redemption, after demonstrating that was incapable of keeping the commandments of God on His own. So to me, Adam represents the failure of the law, and Jesus, the law of the Spirit, that did what the law could not do. In this sense then, Adam, as the embodiment of our failure to measure up to God's standards, is the starting point, and Jesus the end, of a single plan--as opposed to the plan "A" and plan "B" premise suggested by the OP. I hope that makes sense. Thanks for calling my attention to that seeming disconnect. Sometimes we're so focused on the main point, we forget about lines of perspective. God bless.

Hi Sojourner55

Thank you !

I have never thought of the law as starting with Adam. I can see your point and it fits with the OP. In fact, it brings a clearer understanding. I can only hope that other viewers also see this as it is a bit frustrating to see the tread veering off to a plan A being the Mosianic law.

If your point about the 1st law being the command "thou shalt not eat..." is correct, then I would like to ask if that law was also an un-achievable law? Meaning that it was bound to be broken and thus pave the way for plan B. ( By now, I should start using different language for the Plan A and B and rather call it; phase A and phase B of the very same plan with a whole lot of sub-phases in between.)

Love
Brits

[ewq1938]

Phase 1 is toast!

Cool, cool....so the Matrix thing...explain?

[Brits Van Wyk]

As a matter of fact, Jesus was pointed to in the garden, in the law, in the prophets and everywhere else! The entire old covenant was about pointing to Christ!

Amen.

Care to take a stab at the identity of the Tree of Life ? Would like to know what you all think.

I think... There we go.... plan B ( phase B ) was right there all along. Adam (& Eve) could eat as much as they liked from that Tree ! -

It will also be interesting to then get some definitions of "Life" as it pertains to that fruit of the tree. I know that God said after the fall that the tree must be protected for, if they eat from it, they will live forever, just like Us. (in my own words).

Now comes a very interesting thought ..... what came 1st... was it Adam or the Tree of Life ? This can mess up our thoughts on phases or plans big time ! (Naturally, I am keeping in mind that God planned it all before creation and, that Jesus was there before creation, so, lets look at it from date of creation perhaps ?)

Love
Brits

[Watchman]

Cool, cool....so the Matrix thing...explain?

I like the movie and its relation to the unknown invisible realm.

[Watchman]

Care to take a stab at the identity of the Tree of Life ? Now comes a very interesting thought ..... what came 1st... was it Adam or the Tree of Life ? This can mess up our thoughts on phases or plans big time ! (Naturally, I am keeping in mind that God planned it all before creation and, that Jesus was there before creation, so, lets look at it from date of creation perhaps ?)

Love
Brits

The Tree of Life is the Word, who predated Adam. Yep, the entire plan was in place from before the beginning.

W

[Brits Van Wyk]

The Tree of Life is the Word, who predated Adam. Yep, the entire plan was in place from before the beginning.

W

And the Word is Jesus ? - then plan B came before plan A and that was the PLAN all along...crystal clear !
And that brings my OP (as far as myself is concerned) to a satisfactory conclusion, .....

The Master plan !
(by the Master, for the Master, through the Master, to the Master --- man you gotta love God, He is the big I Am )

love
Britsie

[John146]

As a matter of fact, Jesus was pointed to in the garden, in the law, in the prophets and everywhere else! The entire old covenant was about pointing to Christ!

That's right! So, the old covenant was just part of the overall plan rather than being a separate plan in and of itself.

[Watchman]

And the Word is Jesus ? - then plan B came before plan A and that was the PLAN all along...crystal clear !
And that brings my OP (as far as myself is concerned) to a satisfactory conclusion, .....

The Master plan !
(by the Master, for the Master, through the Master, to the Master --- man you gotta love God, He is the big I Am )

love
Britsie

Check, mate...winner God. The plan was always in place.

[ewq1938]

I like the movie and its relation to the unknown invisible realm.

Me too...my fav is the 1st one.

[Watchman]

I actually intended to register as Watchman Neo, but messed up & didn't realize it until too late. Oh well...
The thing about The Matrix I liked was that the seen realm was fake...nothing was as it appeared. This mirrors time and space rather well. Nothing is as it seems and there are invisible forces working inexorably behind the scenes to influence both the course of history and the outcome.

[ewq1938]

I actually intended to register as Watchman Neo, but messed up & didn't realize it until too late. Oh well...

Ask a Mod to help you change it. Also, why Trinity?