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The tribulation is normally associated with worldwide events rather than localised. A worldwide persecution along with worldwide disasters and ending in a world war and a world-wide earthquake. The intensity does increase.Originally Posted by Luciano Vinci
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I am not sure as to the length of time the Great Tribulation will last. That 7 year period is the length of a diplomatic agreement. The anti-christ may be in power for some years before entering into the agreement. The tribulation might already be in process before He signs the agreement for all we know. Unless someone can provide clear scriptures that states where the great tribulation of the saints will start? I only know that the tribulation of the saints will end at the time of the Messiah's return.
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I believe the tribulation of the saints will be world wide. Because Saints live all over the world.
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I live here!
As far as the temple was concerned, what abominations would this be referring to within this 70th week? Animal sacrificing wasn't even an abomination before Jesus died, was it? That's if this is the abominations you are referring to. The way it looks to me, these abominations have to occur within this 70th week, and it looks like it causes the conclusions of this 70th week. That leaves out 70 AD, since there would have to be a gap for it to fit within this 490 years. If there can't be some type of future gap, like a few thousand years, then there can't be a gap of even 30 or 40 years. A gap is still a gap, regardless the length of it.
What's ironic about my stance, I don't really have a stance. So that's why I'm asking questions in this manner. But at the same time, I'm not convinced Daniel 9:27 is about Jesus, based on what the text is saying. Jesus just doesn't seem to fit the text, even tho...and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease...that part seems to. But if we read that with other chapters in Daniel, such as Daniel 12:11-13, one don't seem to see Jesus anywhere in the context.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
It makes little since to me that this isn't shedding more light on Daniel 9:27. Here we're told that the abomination that makes desolate, that it's set up in the midst of the 70th week, which coincidently is when some of you are saying Jesus died. That then infers to me that it would be Jesus' sacrifice which causes the abomination to be set up, which of course doesn't make sense.
Another point I would like to make. It makes little sense to me if the book of Daniel didn't shed more light on Dan 9:27. So IOW, ch 12 wouldn't be the only chapter referring to this 70th week, nor would ch 9 be the only ch either.
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I read the Patterns and parallels from scripture. The following is not a study but is meant to answer some of your questions. Capitals used for emphasis only.
A 2300 day time span warning concerning ‘the time of the end ‘was given through the Prophet Daniel about ‘the place of the daily’ also called ‘the outer court’ in Revelation 11.
Daniel 8: 10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him THE DAILY WAS TAKEN AWAY, and the place of his SANCTUARY WAS CAST DOWN. 12. And an host was given him AGAINST THE DAILY by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Daniel 8: 13. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning THE DAILY and the TRANSGRESSION OF DESOLATION, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Daniel 8: 14. And he said unto me, Unto TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Daniel 11: 31. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily and THEY SHALL PLACE THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE.
What time is this following chapter set at?
Daniel 12: 1. “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Daniel 12: 2. And many of them that SLEEP IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH shall awake, some TO EVERLASTING LIFE, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
The resurrection is as we Know, at trump seven.
The word ‘sacrifice’ was added to Daniel 12: 11. as an afterthought, hence it was written in italics. This is about the place of the daily, an area situated outside the Temple.
Daniel 12: 11. And from the time that the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Let’s apply that time span from Daniel to Matthew 24. from the abomination set up to the second advent of the Christ.
Mathew 24: 15. “When ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand”
We now place the time span of the abomination of desolation, at 1290 days to the second advent.
Matthew 24: 29. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Let’s have a look at Daniel 12: 12. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Here is the promised blessing in Revelation 19: “And he saith unto me, Write, BLESSED are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
THERE IS A TEMPLE AT THE TIME OF THE END.
Revelation 11: 1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Revelation 11: 2. But THE COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for IT IS GIVEN UNTO THE GENTILES: and the holy city shall they TREAD UNDERFOOT FORTY TWO MONTHS.
The 42 months begins a few days before the 1260 plus 3 ½ days. But will end at trump seven.
Revelation 11: 3. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED and THREESCORE DAYS, clothed in sackcloth.
1260 days later, they are killed by the beast in verse 7.
Revelation 11: 7. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
We have, so far 1260 days of witnessing then the two witnesses are killed in the midst of the last week. 3½ days later trumpet seven is blown, at the end of the last week, which would be the seventieth of Daniel 9. IMHO.
Revelation 11: 8. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Revelation 11: 9. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies THREE DAYS AND AN HALF, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Revelation 11: 10. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Revelation 11: 11. And AFTER THREE DAYS AND AN HALF the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and THEY STOOD UP upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Revelation 11: 12. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Revelation 11: 13. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Revelation 11: 14. The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Revelation 11: 15. And the SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, THE KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME the kingdoms OF OUR LORD, AND OF HIS CHRIST; and HE SHALL REIGN for ever and ever.
See 1 Corinthians 15: 49 – 57.
The Gentiles trample on the city and outer court for 42 months according to Revelation 11. but look at Revelation 12. and 13. for time of spans that fit into the 2300 days.
Revelation 12. 7. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9
Revelation 13: 9. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, AND HIS ANGELS were cast out with him.
Revelation 12: 14. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a TIME, and TIMES, and HALF A TIME, from the face of the serpent.
Time, times and half a time. That’s forty two months .
Revelation 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with THE REMNANT OF HER SEED, which keep the commandments of God, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.
Now compare the time of these following verses and characters.
Revelation 13: 1. And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 13: 2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD, and his feet were as the feet of a BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth of a LION: and the DRAGON gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Revelation 13: 3. And I saw ONE OF HIS HEADS AS IT WERE WOUNDED TO DEATH; and his DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALED: and all the world wondered after the BEAST.
Revelation 13: 4. And they worshipped the DRAGON which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Revelation 13: 5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue FORTY TWO MONTHS. Revelation 13: 6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and HIS TABERNACLE, and them that dwell in heaven.
Revelation 13: 7. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Let me repeat this verse.
Revelation 13: 2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD, and his feet were as the feet of a BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth of a LION: and the DRAGON gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Please compare Daniel 7: 4. The first was like a LION, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.
Daniel 7: 5. And behold another beast, a second, like to a BEAR, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Daniel 7: 6. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a LEOPARD, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Daniel 7: 7. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a FOURTH BEAST, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. 8
Daniel 7: 8. considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another LITTLE HORN, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth SPEAKING GREAT THINGS.
Daniel 8: Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up FOUR NOTABLE ONES toward the four winds of heaven.
Daniel 7: 9. And out of one of them came forth a LITTLE HORN, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. Daniel 7: 10. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and IT CAST DOWN some of the host and OF THE STARS TO THE GROUND, and stamped upon them.
Who is the little horn that can cast stars/angels out of Heaven apart from Michael?
Revelation 12: 1. And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: Revelation 12: 2. And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Revelation 12: 3. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold A GREAT RED DRAGON, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Revelation 12: 4. And HIS TAIL DREW THE THIRD PART OF THE STARS OF HEAVEN, AND DID CAST THEM TO THE EARTH earth: and the DRAGON stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Revelation 12: 5. And she brought forth a man child, WHO WAS TO RULE ALL NATIONS WITH A ROD OF IRON: and her child was caught up unto God, and to HIS THRONE.
Compare Revelation 19.
Revelation 19: 15. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Revelation 19: 19. And I saw the BEAST, AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Revelation 12: 20. And the BEAST was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 19: 21. And THE REMNANT were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Compare above verse 21 with Daniel 7: 11.
Daniel 7: 8. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Daniel 7: 9. I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
I we parallel Revelation 19: 21. with Daniel 7: 11, 12. we have the same prophecy.
Daniel 7: 11. I beheld till the BEAST WAS SLAIN, and his body destroyed, and given to THE BURNING FLAME.
Daniel 7: 12. AS CONCERNING THE REST OF THE BEASTS, THEY HAD THEIR DOMINION TAKEN AWAY: YET THEIR LIVES WERE PROLONGED for a season and time.
Little horn/Satan’s realm ends in Revelation 20: 1. And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Revelation 20: 2. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Revelation 20: 3. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
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But it was an abomination immediately following His once for all perfect sacrifice. God accepted the sacrifice of the cross and rejected the blood of bulls and goats that was occurring at the same hour. All one would need to do is read Hebrews to see these truths.
The parallel to David's kingship is striking. There were two tabernacles standing at once. Moses' and David's. Moses' had a veil and burnt offerings, and David's had no veil, and only spiritual sacrifices, and most importantly the Ark of the Covenant, God's Presence and Government in the earth. Also there were two priesthoods standing at once. And both tabernacles continued together for approximately 40 years, the same amount of time that the Jewish Temple continued after the once for all sacrifice of the Savior. James tells us that the tabernacle of David was restored, and now access was available to all with no veil (Jews and Greeks in one body by the Cross). (Acts 15:16-19)
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Capitals for emphasis only.
How can the abomination of desolation be immediately following the crucifixion? When it is mentioned as lasting for only1290 days in Daniel 12:11. this same abomination of desolation is mentioned in Matthew 24: 15. ONLY 1290. DAYS BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST.
The abomination therefore cannot be just after His crucifixion during the Roman Empire that went into historic oblivion in 476 AD and not a sign of HIS return or the everlasting kingdom.
The word ‘sacrifice’ is in italics showing it to have been added to the following verse. The sacrifice took place during the Roman Empire that event was not 1290 days before trumpet 7.
Daniel 12: 11. And from the time that the daily shall be taken away, and THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be A THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY DAYS.
We now have the same event mentioned in Matthew.
Matthew 24: 15. WHEN YOU THEREFORE SHALL SEE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, SPOKEN OF BY DANIEL THE PROPHET, STAND IN A HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand
So, when we see the abomination of desolation we should realise it will be there for 1290 days before verse 29. which is about the second advent of Christ.
Matthew 14: 29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 14: 30. AND SHALL APPEAR THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN IN HEAVEN: and THEN SHALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH MOURN, and THEY SHALL SEED THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY.
31. And HE SHALL SEND HIS ANGELS with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
In Daniel chapter 2. there is no mention of the second coming untill the feet of iron and clay period and certainly not at the legs of iron.
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My point wasn't to try to literally point to "abomination of desolation," but only to point out that the two priesthoods (Aaron's and Melchisedek's) and the two temples (heiron -natural temple; and naos the spiritual temple) were an abomination, and that God would violently take away the first, that He may establish the second (Heb. 10:9).
I am not an expert on eschatology, however, it seems that in Mt. 24:34-35 He is specifically relating the events to happen during that time of "this generation" (which typically is 40 years). Thus the literal application of the "abomination of desolation" could be said to have happened AD 68-70 when the "prince" Titus and "his people" the Romans destroyed the city and desecrated the temple by slaughtering a pig on the altar.
However, I am not adamant about that position only, for I see that Mt. 24 has definite spiritual overtones that tend to a future time of trouble and an eventual return of Our Lord.
When it comes to end-time events, I like to keep it spiritual, and concentrate on principles rather than actual world events (Eph. 6:12; 2 Cor. 10:3). I have been in this thing for 30 years and have seen the craziest theories about end-time events. Christian bookstores are filled with the irrelevant books which they couldn't sell for $1 because they are dated. How many Christians are buying old Hal Lindsay books, or "88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Happen in 1988," or how Henry Kissinger is the anti-christ, etc. etc.
Yet old books by Watchman Nee, Spurgeon, the old Puritan writers, etc. have stood the test of time and are still relevant, while the Jack Van Impe's and Hal Lindsay's just rehash old theories and try to make them current, depending on what the newspaper says that day.
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Yeshua's Ministry was NOT 3 years, this is base don a Misunderstanding of John's Gospel. John's Gospel is the most Mystical and thus is NOT entirely Chronological. The 2 incidents recorded in Chapter 2 are put side by side because of parallels they have to each other.
It annoys me how people when Studying John forget that the Synoptics clearly place the Cleansing of the Temple in the same Passover week as the Crucifixion. This story is the first reason I date the Crucifixion to 30 AD, 46 years after Herod's renovations of the Temple began.
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The Two Witnesses are in the 1st half of the Tribulation in my view.
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24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
The tribulation starts with the abomination as spoken by the prophet Daniel.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
1290 days until the end = 3.5 years The tribulation is therefore 3.5 years long.
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I beg to differ here. For various reasons I do agree with you that the crucifixion occurred in 30AD. However I believe the Passover mentioned by John 2 that relates to the Cleansing actually occurred in March/April of 27AD. It would make sense that the Cleansing would be Jesus' first Passover of his ministry, not the Passover week of the crucifixion, because its mentioned right in the beginning of John right after Jesus' first miracle, and its unlikely Jesus would have tolerated the sin in the temple for years and then only reacted at the end of His ministry. The reason I place it as 27AD is that John 2 occurs during the 46th year of the temple reconstruction. The temple began reconstruction in 20BC, and taking into account no year "0" this would definitely place the first Passover at 27AD, making his ministry 3.5 years long.
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Hello DurbanDude,
You said: " Jesus therefore put an end to sacrifice 3.5 years after confirming the greatest ever covenant, God's promise to send a Messiah."
Rebute: This is all too easy to refute, as this has to do with simple grammer. The person who is in view, who is putting an end to the daily sacrifice and offering, is not the Anointed One,
but is in fact that same ruler mentioned in Dan.9:26, for he is the one who destroys the city (Jerusalem) and the sancturary. That ruler is that antichrist, the man of lawlessness, the beast,
the same one who makes war and conquers the saints during that last 3 1/2 years as found in Dan.7:27 and Rev.13:5-7. We know this also because that ruler is the same one who along with
the false prophet sets up the abomination (Image) that causes the desolation of Jerusalem in the middle of the seven year period.
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This doesn't make sense because the two witnesses are resurrected and then the world becomes subdued under Christ. The 3.5 years of the witnesses ends with the second coming, and so cannot be the first half of the tribulation.
11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
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The little horn of Daniel 8 is often mixed up with the little horn of Daniel 7. The difference is that Daniel 8 relates to 1150 days (2300 evenings and mornings) which is 3.2 years and relates to the goat empire (Greece). The little horn of Daniel 7 relates to 3.5 years and comes from the empire that follows Greece , which is Rome. Similar language is uses for both characters because Aniochus Epiphanes is a forerunner or foretaste of what the antichrist will be like.I read the Patterns and parallels from scripture. The following is not a study but is meant to answer some of your questions. Capitals used for emphasis only.
A 2300 day time span warning concerning ‘the time of the end ‘was given through the Prophet Daniel about ‘the place of the daily’ also called ‘the outer court’ in Revelation 11.
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Daniel 8: 14. And he said unto me, Unto TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
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Daniel 11 is also about Antiochus. If you compare history with Daniel 11:1-35 you see an amazing match. This is one of those prophecies that has already been fulfilled in such amazing detail that its not likely to have an exact double-fulfiment in the future.Daniel 11: 31. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily and THEY SHALL PLACE THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE.
No problem with this logic.What time is this following chapter set at?
Daniel 12: 1. “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Daniel 12: 2. And many of them that SLEEP IN THE DUST OF THE EARTH shall awake, some TO EVERLASTING LIFE, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
The resurrection is as we Know, at trump seven.
The word ‘sacrifice’ was added to Daniel 12: 11. as an afterthought, hence it was written in italics. This is about the place of the daily, an area situated outside the Temple.
Daniel 12: 11. And from the time that the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Let’s apply that time span from Daniel to Matthew 24. from the abomination set up to the second advent of the Christ.
Mathew 24: 15. “When ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
We now place the time span of the abomination of desolation, at 1290 days to the second advent.
No problem here either, you seem to be giving evidence for a 3.5 year period before the second coming, which is what I have been saying.THERE IS A TEMPLE AT THE TIME OF THE END.
Revelation 11: 1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Revelation 11: 2. But THE COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for IT IS GIVEN UNTO THE GENTILES: and the holy city shall they TREAD UNDERFOOT FORTY TWO MONTHS.
The 42 months begins a few days before the 1260 plus 3 ½ days. But will end at trump seven.
Revelation 11: 3. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED and THREESCORE DAYS, clothed in sackcloth.
1260 days later, they are killed by the beast in verse 7.
Revelation 11: 7. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
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I am a little confused as to your point, because your whole post you seem to be confirming what I am saying, the bible is clear on a final 3.5 year period. Yes, this period is mentioned in Daniel 7, Daniel 12, Rev 11, Rev 12, Rev 13, I agree on this.
This is where you go wrong. You seem to be saying that there is another 3.5 year period between the 6th trumpet and the 7th trumpet. The text does not indicate how long the period is , but the second coming occurs just after the resurrection of the witnesses because the kingdoms of the world become Christs right then. This does appear according to context, that the 3.5 years of the two witnesses relates rather to the last 3.5 years before the second coming, and NOT to any previous 3.5 year period. The 3.5 days could be within the 1260 days or the 3.5 days after this, making it a 1263.5 day period, but this is not a seven year period as you are alleging.We have, so far 1260 days of witnessing then the two witnesses are killed in the midst of the last week. 3½ days later trumpet seven is blown, at the end of the last week, which would be the seventieth of Daniel 9. IMHO
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