Genisis

[JJsaint]

Yeah but in Gen 2 Man is created before animals. In Gen 1, animals are created first.

Can you explain that?

Yes,it is a summary!

Notice that the formation of Man is in more detail and so is the making of Eve,while the formation of animals is NOT in detail as it is in Genesis 1.

OR Are you trying to say that God made animals and men in the Genesis 1 account and in Genesis 2 God started again and made a whole new creation???????????????


...Now,can you answer my questions please....

[ewq1938]

Yes,it is a summary!

A bad one if it is one....

OR Are you trying to say that God made animals and men in the Genesis 1 account and in Genesis 2 God started again and made a whole new creation???????????????

That's what I am saying. A new man, in a new place, a special job in a limited place...a tiller of the ground not a fisherman etc etc.

...Now,can you answer my questions please....

I prefer orderly discussions but what are your questions?

[JJsaint]

A bad one if it is one....



That's what I am saying. A new man, in a new place, a special job in a limited place...a tiller of the ground not a fisherman etc etc.





I prefer orderly discussions but what are your questions?

How is it a bad summary? This summary deals with ''man'' (Genesis 2) It explains the formation of man in greater detail.

This summary deals with the formation of man(Genesis 2:7)
The man been placed in the garden(Genesis 2:8,2:15)
Gods command to Man (Genesis 2:16-17)
The formation of animals to be named(Genesis 2:19-20)
The making of a help meet(Genesis 2:18,2:21-24)

''A new man, in a new place, a special job in a limited place''

So,God started creation again? Read above...

Oh,by the way,if you want to talk about contradictions or anything like that...

The sun was made on the fourth day(Genesis 1:14-19)
vegetation was made on the third day(Genesis 1:9-13)

....Plants and trees can't grow without the sun.....



And now my questions...

Who were the 6th day creations? Who were the people who did not have souls yet had such heavy responsibilities?Why were the 6th day creations made ''in his own image'' yet Adam was not?

[ewq1938]

How is it a bad summary? This summary deals with ''man'' (Genesis 2) It explains the formation of man in greater detail.

This summary deals with the formation of man(Genesis 2:7)
The man been placed in the garden(Genesis 2:8,2:15)
Gods command to Man (Genesis 2:16-17)
The formation of animals to be named(Genesis 2:19-20)
The making of a help meet(Genesis 2:18,2:21-24)

Except according to Gen 1, animals were created before man. In Gen 2, man is created first, animals created after man, then after animals are created, a woman is created from man. Gen 1 disagrees with Gen 2 on these and many other things.

''A new man, in a new place, a special job in a limited place''

So,God started creation again? Read above...

God continued creating, yes.

Oh,by the way,if you want to talk about contradictions or anything like that...

The sun was made on the fourth day(Genesis 1:14-19)
vegetation was made on the third day(Genesis 1:9-13)

....Plants and trees can't grow without the sun.....

There was an alternative light source so yes they could grow just fine.

And now my questions...

Who were the 6th day creations?

The bible doesn't say.

Who were the people who did not have souls yet had such heavy responsibilities?

The bible doesn't say they had no souls.

Why were the 6th day creations made ''in his own image'' yet Adam was not?

All humans are made in God's image.

[divaD]

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And now my questions...

Who were the 6th day creations? Who were the people who did not have souls yet had such heavy responsibilities?Why were the 6th day creations made ''in his own image'' yet Adam was not?

This is def a good argument...one that I myself use as well.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

In Genesis 1, man was made in our image, after our likeness, but was not formed from the dust of the ground, thus becoming a living soul.

In Genesis 2, man was formed of the dust of the ground, and man became a living soul, but was not made in our image, after our likeness.

That's what it adds up to if these are not the same accounts from different perspectives. One passage in particular solves this problem IMO.

Genesis 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.


Verse 6 clearly contradicts 2 creation accounts. Why? Because it clearly says 'for in the image of God made he man'. When did God do that? In Genesis 1. Which man was Noah and his sons from? The man in Genesis 2. The only way to square Scriptures then, Genesis 1 and 2 are 1 creation account, not 2 separate ones.

[JJsaint]

Except according to Gen 1, animals were created before man. In Gen 2, man is created first, animals created after man, then after animals are created, a woman is created from man. Gen 1 disagrees with Gen 2 on these and many other things.





God continued creating, yes.




There was an alternative light source so yes they could grow just fine.






The bible doesn't say.



The bible doesn't say they had no souls.





All humans are made in God's image.

Genesis 1 gives the detailed account of creation,Genesis 2 gives the detailed account of the formation of man.(and woman)
Genesis 2 also does not mention many of the things in Genesis 1 such as the moon,sun and stars or the separating of the day and night?

I don't mean continued creating,I mean started creating all over again....

What was the alternative light source for the third day?

The bible does say who the 6th day creations were...Man,Male and female(Gen 1:26-27)

...Souls,only Adam became a living soul.The 6th day creation it does not state that they became a living soul like Adam.

As for image,how were the 6th day creations in the image of God,yet Adam was not,it does not state in Genesis 2 that Adam was in the image of God.


Also...

Genesis 5:1:This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

Genesis 1:26-27:
²⁶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

²⁷So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Notice Genesis 1 says ''likeness'' and ''God created he him''
And Genesis 5:1 says ''God created man'' and ''likeness''

Man and Adam mean the same thing in the Hebrew...

119 'adam aw-dam' to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:--be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).

[Saved7]

Genesis 2 is a short summary of Genesis 1.

Genesis 1:26:And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:7:And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I'm with JJSaint, here. You have to understand that throughout the Bible, sometimes God covers the same topic several times and in several different ways so we get a better feel for what the details are and how they work together.

[ewq1938]

Genesis 1 gives the detailed account of creation,Genesis 2 gives the detailed account of the formation of man.(and woman)
Genesis 2 also does not mention many of the things in Genesis 1 such as the moon,sun and stars or the separating of the day and night?

I answered your questions, now answer my ONE question:

Was man created before animals or were animals created before man?

[ewq1938]

I'm with JJSaint, here. You have to understand that throughout the Bible, sometimes God covers the same topic several times and in several different ways so we get a better feel for what the details are and how they work together.

I'll ask you the same question:

Was man created before animals or were animals created before man?

[JJsaint]

I answered your questions, now answer my ONE question:

Was man created before animals or were animals created before man?

I answered YOUR question in post 14,go back and look....

By the way read all my post 21 or Just state,clearly what you think about Genesis 1 and Genesis 2,address your own question,answer your own questions and post them in this thread,give your summary on the creation and formation...

[ewq1938]

I answered YOUR question in post 14,go back and look....

Then why does Gen 2 say Adam was created and there were no animals to help him?

Gen 2:18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him."
Gen 2:19 Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.


Only after creating man, does God create "every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens". Why does God create all these animals if animals were created before man as you claim?

By the way read all my post 21 or Just state,clearly what you think about Genesis 1 and Genesis 2,address your own question,answer your own questions and post them in this thread,give your summary on the creation and formation...

Let's finish our discussion on why you feel animals came before Adam even though it clearly states Adam was alone then we'll move onto other things. It's more orderly like this.

[GitRDunn]

This is def a good argument...one that I myself use as well.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

In Genesis 1, man was made in our image, after our likeness, but was not formed from the dust of the ground, thus becoming a living soul.

In Genesis 2, man was formed of the dust of the ground, and man became a living soul, but was not made in our image, after our likeness.

That's what it adds up to if these are not the same accounts from different perspectives. One passage in particular solves this problem IMO.

Genesis 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.


Verse 6 clearly contradicts 2 creation accounts. Why? Because it clearly says 'for in the image of God made he man'. When did God do that? In Genesis 1. Which man was Noah and his sons from? The man in Genesis 2. The only way to square Scriptures then, Genesis 1 and 2 are 1 creation account, not 2 separate ones.

I don't think anyone is arguing that they are two separate creation accounts in the way that you are, I think it is just being argued that with a purely literal reading, the two accounts cannot mesh together, indicating this is the incorrect way to read it because, as you said, it is not two separate creation accounts.

[JJsaint]

Then why does Gen 2 say Adam was created and there were no animals to help him?

Gen 2:18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him."
Gen 2:19 Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.


Only after creating man, does God create "every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens". Why does God create all these animals if animals were created before man as you claim?




By the way read all my post 21 or Just state,clearly what you think about Genesis 1 and Genesis 2,address your own question,answer your own questions and post them in this thread,give your summary on the creation and formation...

...You should start answering you OWN questions,we give you suggestions which you brush aside,constantly....it like talking talking to a brick wall,and you are the wall....

I have stated what I think about Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 but you keep brushing it aside,if not repeating yourself,for some reason,I don't know why,I have answered back again and again but obviously YOU do not want another person's opinion,yet you choose NOT to share your own,Just attack others...
We are going around in circles because YOU keep asking the same things again or disregarding what I say...
Why do you post in this thread if YOU do not want another person's opinion and from what I gathered YOU do NOT....
...I think some users in this thread will agree with me...
....I have tried to explain Genesis 1 and 2 to you but you choose not to accept my opinions,you choose to repeat yourself over and over again.

...And THAT is a summary of what you are doing,in no particular order....


IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO DEBATE IN THREAD,DO NOT REPEAT YOURSELF OR GO AROUND IN CIRCLE,WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING!

GOOD DAY TO YOU....

[ewq1938]

I don't think anyone is arguing that they are two separate creation accounts in the way that you are, I think it is just being argued that with a purely literal reading, the two accounts cannot mesh together, indicating this is the incorrect way to read it because, as you said, it is not two separate creation accounts.

I don't believe the events in Gen 2 are speaking of the events in Gen 1. I feel it's all part of one grand creation story, but two different days of creating just like day one is different than day 2.

[GitRDunn]

I don't believe the events in Gen 2 are speaking of the events in Gen 1. I feel it's all part of one grand creation story, but two different days of creating just like day one is different than day 2.

Ok, my bad; I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying. Could you elaborate a little on what you think about it all being part of one grand creation story? I'm not sure our views are so different, but it is hard to tell at the moment. Thanks!