thing about the wolves is they dont even know they are wolves, they think they are good little christians who follow God and have understanding.
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thing about the wolves is they dont even know they are wolves, they think they are good little christians who follow God and have understanding.
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If you need new testament truth to better understand Isaiah 66Originally Posted by Wall
2 COR. 6 [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and BE YE SEPARATE, saith the Lord, AND TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING; and I will receive you, [18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
This NEW TESTAMENT scripture tells us as believers we are not to touch the unclean thing.
ISAIAH 52 [9] Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath REDEEMED Jerusalem. [10] The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the SALVATION of our God. [11] Depart ye, depart ye, GO YE OUT from thence, TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING; GO YE OUT OF THE MIDST OF HER; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the Lord. [12] For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the Lord will go before you; and the God of Israel will be your rereward.
Redeemed. Salvation. Words you would find in the new testament concerning Jesus. And as is always the case, you will find whats being said in the new testament has already been said in the old or prophecied.
LEVITICUS 20 [22] Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. [23] And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. [24] But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, WHICH HAVE SEPARATED YOU from other people. [25] YE SHALL THEREFORE PUT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLEAN BEASTS AND UNCLEAN, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. [26] And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, THAT YE SHOULD BE MINE.
Be ye separate.
DEUT. 14 [8] And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
You can see them out for dinner with their la la la....... clucthing forks and knives
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The Holy Bible consists of two parts—The Old Testament/Covenant and the New Old Testament/Covenant (the words Testament and Covenant are English translations of the same Greek word, διαθήκη). The new covenant was prophesized in the old covenant as being a better covenant (Jer. 31:31-34) that will replace the old covenant, and those people who are Christians are living under the new and better (Heb. 7:22; 8:6) covenant rather than under the old covenant.
In Luke 18:20 and Matt. 19:17-21, Jesus was speaking to Jewish men living under the old covenant—that is, the covenant of Law as opposed to the covenant of grace. Therefore, Jesus taught them that they must obey the Law and it commandments to have eternal life.
In 1 Cor. 7:19, Paul is not writing to Jewish men living under the old covenant; he is writing to Christians living under the new covenant. Therefore, he is not referring to the commandments of God given to the Jews in the old covenant; he is referring to the commandments of God given to the Christians in the new covenant—and those commandments say absolutely nothing about keeping the Sabbath!
Words express the concepts in the mind of the speaker or the writer, and understanding what those concepts are requires an understanding of not only the language spoken or written, but also an understanding of the context in which the words are used. When a man focuses on the former and ignores the latter, he is going to misunderstand the words spoken or written. When a man focuses on the former and ignores the latter in his interpretation of the Bible, he is going to make mistakes—and those mistakes may be so severe that the man’s understanding will be outside of those beliefs that define Christianity.
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HEBREWS 8 [8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.
The new covenant in the blood of Jesus is here. It arrived with the crucified Christ. But has the covenant of Hebrews 8 already arrived? No, not according to scripture
Verse 11- Look around you. Read the news paper. Watch the news. Does EVERYONE know the Lord?
Verse 13- Hebrews 8 was written AFTER the crucified Christ and the scripture clearly says that the old covenant (10 commandments) is WAXING OLD and GETTING READY to vanish. Aint vanished yet! Yes there are some books that claim the ten are obsolete. In them same books youll find in Hebrews 4 the name of Jesus being change to Joshua for the same reason.
Verse 8- When i show scripture proving we are to be keeping Gods 10 commandments i ALWAYS hear the same thing. The 10 commandments were givin to Israel and the Jews. So to whom is this covenant givin?
Verse 10- When God writes His commandments in our heart you can bet we will be keeping them. Including His sabbath. When will God write His laws in our hearts? At the time He does this quote takes place.. " I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people". Its after the gathering of His people to the 1000yr period of rest.
EZEKIEL 36 [24] For I will take you from among the heathen, and GATHER YOU OUT OF ALL COUNTRIES, AND WILL BRING YOU INTO YOUR OWN LAND. [25] Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. [26] A NEW HEART also will I give you, and A NEW SPIRIT will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. [27] And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. [28] And ye shall dwell in the land that i gave to your fathers; and YE SHALL BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE YOUR GOD.
Heres another scripture pointing to when God will do heart surgery on us
DEUT. 30 [4] If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will THE LORD THY GOD GATHER THEE, and from thence will he fetch thee: [5] And the Lord THY GOD WILL BRING THEE INTO THE LAND WHICH THY FATHERS POSSESSED, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. [6] And the Lord THY GOD WILL CIRCUMCISE THINE HEART, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. [7] And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee. [8] And THOU SHALT RETURN AND OBEY THE VOICE OF THE LORD, AND DO ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS which I command thee this day.
The gathering to the 1000 yr period of rest. Verse 8- Yes.... that would be the 10 commandments. Does that include the sabbath
ISAIAH 66 [22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP before me, saith the Lord.
YUP
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Hebrews 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. (NASB, 1995)
In the first sentence of this verse, the Greek word translated as “he has made obsolete” is in the perfect tense signifying past action with present results—that is, the old covenant has been made obsolete and therefore the Christian can no longer be a party to it. However, there are still many Jews living under the old covenant, but even that covenant relationship is “becoming obsolete and growing old and is ready to disappear.”
Hebrew 8:8-12 is quoted from Jer. 31:31-34. A sound interprretation of Hebrew 8:8-12 is not to be had without a sound interprretation of Jer. 31:31-34, and a sound interprretation of Jer. 31:31-34 is not to be had without a sound understading of the Book of Jeremiah, including especially the escatology of the prophesies found in that book.
Attempting to prove from the old covenant that that Christians are to keep the Sabbath is ridiculous because the old covenant does not pertain to Christians.
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Really?
JER.16 [19] O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, THE GENTILES shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is NO PROFIT.
I live here!
I think you are confusing tares and wolves.
Jesus is Lord
Would that make them tarewolves?? Enquiring minds wanna know!
W
Sunset remembers Eden...sunrise prophesies its return.
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Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
i would suppose they are on internet forums by now
just like the pharisees thought they were following God but preached lies and had an evil heart, they do the same now.
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The scribes and pharisees did not preach lies
MATTHEW 23 [1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, [2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: [3] ALL THEREFORE WHATSOEVER THEY BID YOU OBSERVE, THAT OBSERVE AND DO; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
They preached the right things. They just refused to do what they preached.
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you are saying good fruit falls from a bad tree
the scripture above is about authority much like the authority of government (moses seat)
lets see what Christ says about them
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
their father is the devil, you cannot speak truth if the truth is not in you
they said it was unjust to heal on sabbath and so on = lies
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Well howdy stranger,
We gentiles{stangers}can learn much from the old testament
EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
BUT NOW! We are no longer strangers from Gods covenants of promise.
ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.
Aint the Word of God great! Even them i will bring to my holy mountain. The 1000yr period of rest
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I am saying????
MATTHEW 23 [1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, [2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: [3] ALL THEREFORE WHATSOEVER THEY BID YOU OBSERVE, THAT OBSERVE AND DO; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
I didnt say it.
MATTHEW 23 [1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, [2] Saying,
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1 JOHN 5 [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. [2] BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHEN WE LOVE GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Theres nothin you can do that cant be done
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Just something to think about
The pit
Gods law
PSALM 94 [11] The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.12] Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;[13] That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.
Teach man out of thy law, until pit digged for the wicked.The bottomless pit?
PSALM 119 [84] How many are the days of thy servant? when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me? [85] The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law.[86] All thy commandments are faithful: they persecute me wrongfully; help thou me.
They who are not after the law have dug pits and ALL thy commandments are faithful...the 4th?
PROVERBS 28 [9] He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.[10] Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright shall have good things in possession.
Those who turn from hearing the law will fall into pit they themselves dug.
PSALM 7 [15] He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
ISAIAH 24 [3] The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.[4] The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.[5] The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; BECAUSE THEY HAVE TRANSGRESSED THE LAWS,changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.[6] Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.[17] Fear, and THE PIT, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.[18] And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall FALL INTO THE PIT; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.[22] And they shall be gathered together, AS PRISONERS ARE GATHERED INTHE PIT, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
Well, heres the end of the story. The DAY OF THE LORD. Those that keep the commandments {4th included} of God (Exodus 20) and have the testimony of Jesus will end up in the Kingdom. Those in the pit will be visited after many days. A thousand years maybe?
REV.20 [1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of THE BOTTOMLESS PIT and a great chain in his hand.[2] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent,which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,[3] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
YUP. A thousand years. Looks like those that do not observeto keep Gods 10 commandments will be having some company in the pit. Kindamakes Saddams wormhole look rather appealing.
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