Do all good people go to heaven?

[Saved7]

MOD NOTE:

I'm locking this thread until we figure out what to do with it, there's a lot of really bad doctrine in here and it seems it's a tag team effort here. And since the OP has yet to reply, there's really no sense in allowing this to go any further.

[Saved7]

MOD NOTE: Moving thread to Areopagus.

[Fenris]

It all depends on who you ask...

[rejoice44]

THE 2nd RESURRECTION

JOHN 5 [28]Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; THEY THAT HAVE DONE GOOD, unto the resurrection of life; and THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This is the first resurrection and has already occurred.

Matthew 27:52-53 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Since only God is good, it was only those that put on God's righteousness that did good. Jesus Christ is the righteousness of God. Only those dead that put on Christ arose.

[gringo300]

I'm not 'good.' Who is?

I'm certainly not good.

I'll be the first to say I had people around me giving me a MASSIVE amount of encouragement, when I was younger, to do a lot of the bad things I was doing then...

...BUT...

...THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THOSE THINGS ANYWAY.

[Adstars]

Its a very hard thing to get ones mind around this going to heaven or hell when we die and then being resurrected at the final judgement (or even resurrected at the first resurrection). I think people get stuck on the concept of location. As in physical location. Our bodies can be in the ground while our spirit can be either in hell or in heaven. The book of Revelation clearly shows that at lest some will be in heaven before the return of the Messiah Jesus for they are under the alter calling out to God to be avenged because they where killed for the testimony of Jesus.

So It may well be a case that those in heaven or hell at this time are not there in bodies but in spirit. That upon the resurrection ( which ever one they take part in) they will be united with bodies on earth.


all Praise The Ancient Of Days

[LookingUp]

I think it depends on what you mean by "good".

[HollyRock]

Acts 2:34: “David [whom the Bible refers to as being ‘a man agreeable to Jehovah’s heart’] did not ascend to the heavens.”


Matt. 11:11: “Truly I say to you people, Among those born of women there has not been raised up a greater than John the Baptist; but a person that is a lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.” (So John did not go to heaven when he died.)


Ps. 37:9, 11, 29: “Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth . . . The meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”

Matt. 5:5: “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.”

Matt. 6:9, 10: “Our Father who in heaven, Hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” (What is God’s will regarding the earth? What do Genesis 1:28 and Isaiah 45:18 indicate?)

Hell will be paved with good people...it's the Blood that makes the difference.

[HollyRock]

Only saved people go to Heaven

[ewq1938]

Only saved people go to Heaven

Why was satan in heaven then?

Heaven isn't where anyone needs to aspire to go to. Eternity is lived out upon the Earth.

[SuperSonicEvnglst]

The teaching of a duality of saved people is not supported by a careful study of God's Word. The Bible makes no distinction of two classes of saved people(Matthew 5:12,Phillipians 3:20). In Revelations 7 & 14, both the 144,000 and the "great crowd" or "multitude" are "before the throne" in Heaven. All born-again Christians will live forever in Heaven (John 3:16, 14:3)

All people will face the final Judgment of God. The doctrine of eternal hell is based on a number of biblical texts and the teachings of Jesus Himself! The righteous saved will have eternal life in heaven but the wicket lost will suffer eternal punishment in hell(Matthew 18:8,9; 25:41-46; Mark 9:43-48; 2 Thes. 1:9)

Good works are the natural response to salvation. It is the "fruit of the Spirit", the natural actions of the new creation in Christ. Anyone who says that salvation comes by faith AND WORKS is teaching a false doctrine. Works are nothing more than the result of the Holy Spirit sanctifying a person. Paul REPEATEDLY preached against acquiring salvation through works, but repeatedly preached works as a result of Salvation. Christ response to the young ruler was the Law - a picture of righteousness. Yet the story reveals that we cannot acquire righteousness through the law, for the rich man declared he had kept the law, yet it still was not enough. He had a heart problem, Adam's tained blood which produced the sin-nature. Christ said the only way to eternal life - Follow HIM.

[John 8:32]

Only saved people go to Heaven

Jesus said that NO ONE goes to heaven...

Joh 7:33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.
Joh 7:34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.

Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

Christ comes back to the earth and hands out rewards...

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

[David Taylor]

Don't everyone get too confused by the nomenclature.

'Heaven' generically, is though of as a place where God's throne, the angels, the streets of gold, pearly gates, etc....exists; some-place not visitable via a spaceship within our present mortal physical universe; but something that transcends the known physical universe; - the eternal abode of God.

Scripture often presents Heaven more or less, in this picture.

While the current physical universe is under the curse of sin and death, there is no 'heaven' here on earth. But as the above poster said, eventually, Heaven comes down to earth; Earth is the intended eternal home of mankind....and when the eternal state is set, and the curse of sin and death is removed from creation; then 'Heaven' will come down; or be here, or effectively not be limited and distincted from the present physical universe as it is now.

Except for SDAs and their spin-off groups, mainstream Christianity has always believed however, that at death, the immaterial spirit of a human being returns to God in Heaven....so whether we are talking about 'going to heaven' now; via natural death of a believer; or the eventual post-2nd Coming eternal state where Heaven comes down to the New Earth; either way, Heaven is fundamentally to be in the direct and literal presence of God Almighty, in a sinless, uncorrupted, state of being.

[guestman]

Do all good people go to heaven ? In a word, no. In fact, the majority of those who attain to life everlasting will enjoy it on the earth. The Scriptures that jhardy35862 presented are valid. When our Creator, Jehovah God, made Adam and Eve and placed them in the Garden of Eden, for what purpose did he make them ? To eventually die and go to heaven ? No. Death was only mentioned in regard to disobedience.

Otherwise, had Adam obeyed God's command concerning the "tree of knowledge of good and bad" (Gen 2:17), he, along with his offspring, had before them the prospect of living forever on a paradise earth. At the end of the sixth "creative" day, Jehovah God "saw everything he had made and, look! [it was] very good."(Gen 1:31) Everywhere, perfection was evident, with no sin anywhere.

At Isaiah 45:18, God says: "For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established ("firmly established", Hebrew kuwn, H3559) it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else." In addition, a few chapters over, God says that "my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it."(Isa 55:11)

Thus, our Creator, Jehovah God, has purposed to have individuals living on the earth, having "firmly established" it, for Psalms 104:5 says that Jehovah "has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever."("forever", Hebrew 'adh ) Who, though, will be allowed to live on it ? Jesus said: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."(Matt 5;5, King James Bible) Thence, "meek" or teachable ones by God, those who are humble, are to be given the earth as their "inheritance".

This is in harmony with Psalms 115:16, which says: "As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong, but the earth he has given to the sons of men." Jesus, while hanging on the torture stake, told one of the evil-doers hanging beside him: "Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”(Luke 23:43) This Jewish evil-doer could then recall the Garden of Eden as a paradise, whereby Adam and Eve were placed by God before their rebellion.

In fact, the Jews knew only of the earth being their home, as Psalms 37:11 says (and of which Jesus quoted at Matt 5:5): "But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace." Psalms 37:29 gives more details: "The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it."

Of those who have the "heavenly calling" (Heb 3:1), these only make up a small number, for Jesus said: "Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."(Luke 12:32) Hence, a "little flock", those chosen by Jehovah God to serve in the official capacity of "kings and priests" (Rev 1:6, King James Bible) number 144,000.

Revelation 5:9, 10 says: "And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you (Jesus Christ) were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

At Revelation 14, it gives more details of those who have been "bought" by Jesus blood, saying: "Look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads......and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth."(Rev 14:1, 4) Hence, those selected by Jehovah God (2 Thess 2:13) as "kings and priests" number 144,000, a "little flock" in relation to all the "meek" ones who will eventually live on the paradise earth that God has purposed from "the beginning".(Gen 1:1)

[Ceegen]

The simple fact is, "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God". (1 Corinthians 15:50)

How much more clear can that be?

But the topic isn't what the resurrection will be like. The topic is, "Do all good people go to heaven?" That's more along the lines of: Do good people go to heaven, even if they don't believe or have never heard of Jesus?

So, what did Jesus say? No one goes to the Father, except through him (Jesus). How that happens, is up to you. If you've never heard of Jesus, you will when you meet Him. There will be a day when "every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess" that God does exist, and has a name, and wants to forgive you. When that day comes, what will you say?

We as Christians are told not to think beforehand what we are to say, when we are brought before the kings and captains of the earth to witness the Christ to them, but in that hour only receive the Holy Spirit and let it speak for us with our acceptance of salvation in Jesus. When your time comes to bow your knee and confess, I suggest you not resist the Holy Spirit to speak through you. Don't resist God. Give up, and give in to God.