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Well thank you for the kind words, brother. The premise of the article is truly a thought-provoking concept, isn't it? You really have to wonder just how much sooner modern technology might have appeared if God hadn't slowed it's progress until He was ready.Originally Posted by Eyelog
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When we stand before the Judgment Seat, we will have retained only two things from our earthly life: what God gave us, and what we did with what He gave us.
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Nicely Put Thomas!
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read Ecclesiastes thoroughly and keep it in your hearts and minds. unrighteousness neglect of the affirmed, afflicted, the sick and dying. Christians are guilty of this because Solomon also states idle hands are the devil handiwork, and who will save the earth not God, not Jesus, and it looks dismal, most people in church, are apathetic, and indifferent, self absorbed, selfish, mammon worshiping and seducing spirits, and feel good philosophy, prosperity philosophy is not from God, the only thing you should ever ask of God are these things, Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding, and his mind and eyes. read 1 Timothy 4:1-2
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron
This is you, taking on a form of Godliness devoid of His Power, and direction
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Shalom, really enjoyed this article! I just finished reading "The Harbinger" by Jonathan Cahn, and it had me thinking about the nature of Prophecy and fulfillment. "Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it." I think George Santayana had it right with this quote. I wonder if I could assume that; "Those who don't remember prophecies are bound to refulfill them." There are lots of arguments around about exactly when and where certain prophecies were fulfilled. I believe this shows a similarity in the pattern of historical events, which leads to multiple candidates for prophetic fulfillment. I am not trying to state this as fact, just as food for thought. Cahn Argues that the prophecy of Isaiah 9:9-10 was fulfilled twice, the second time being fulfilled literally on 9/11. I know it seems like tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, but I was shocked by what I found when I researched it on my own. When I hear debates about the book of Revelation, I wonder if both sides are right. I wonder if John was referencing both the present and the future, as in history repeating itself. The antichrist idea seems to not point at a single individual, but rather to a repeating theme (1 John 2:18-22, 4:3, 2 John1:7) The book of Judges deals with a repeating theme; disobedience, judgement, repentance, deliverence. In fact, the Prophets follow the same template. I think the Word of God remains relevant because "There is nothing new under the sun" Thanks for the thought provoking piecel!
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Hello HoboTone,
Glad you enjoyed it. People differ widely in their eschatology, and invariably, most exchanges regarding prophetic timelines only serve to further beat a poor dead horse that is already a bloody mess. I agree that there are a number of prophecies for which there may indeed be a dual fulfillment, and so should keep an open mind. Jesus said we would not know the exact day or hour of His return. However, He states rather clearly, that certain end time events would indicate the nearness of His return, as surely as the budding of summer trees indicate the nearness of summer. We can hold to and discuss our perspective of things as the day approaches, but mostly, we need to do as Jesus instructed: "watch and pray."
When we stand before the Judgment Seat, we will have retained only two things from our earthly life: what God gave us, and what we did with what He gave us.
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THE OLD TESTAMENT and ME
The Hebrew Bible, called The Old Testament by Christians, is an extraordinarily difficult sequence of books.1 This difficulty, too easily underestimated, is greater now than it ever was, partly because no contemporary reader, however specialized, shares in the psychology of the original readers and writers of The Bible. The first millennium in which anyone read any of the words in any of the books from 1000 B.C. to the time of Christ or, perhaps more accurately, 600 B.C. to 400 A.D.2
My first memories of The Old Testament come from Bible readings in grade six when I was 11 and my mother reading passages from little booklets from the Unity School of Christianity as early as the mid-1950s. Although some of the quotations had a broad ethical appeal to me even as a boy in my late childhood and early teens, I found the stories abstruse and distant: goats, sheep, tribes, and curious names like Balthazar & Nebuchadnezzar.
They all occupied another universe far removed from my little town of 5000 in Ontario in that post-WW2 world of the 1950s. This distance existed then, as it does now, nearly 60 years later.
My individual understanding of The Bible, my biblical interpretations, rely primarily at the age of nearly 70 on my experience of nearly 60 years of intimate association with the Baha’i Faith. My interpretations and those of the Baha’i teachings are provocative, if nothing else. But I have always found there to be a vast distance from the psychic universe of the biblical writers beginning as early as, say, 900 B.C.2 and the contemporary society that is my world. I know I have lots of company; indeed I rarely meet anyone who actually reads The Old Testament any more.
However abstruse the language of biblical prophecy and eschatology, the prophets of The Old Testament, I believe, were given a foreknowledge of the events of our times in their visions, visions which I’m sure they hardly understood themselves. Still, there lies a sure presentation of the times we are living-through, as long as one does not take those prophecies literally.
Yahweh's choice of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their descendants as part of the Chosen People story was a permanent decision, intended to prevail into a time without boundaries, into our time.-Ron Price with thanks to 1Harold Bloom, “Prose and Poetry,” in The New York Times, 17 October, 1982: a review of Dan Jacobson’s THE STORY OF THE STORIES: The Chosen People and Its God, and 2the final editor, or redactor, after the return from the Babylonian Exile in the 6th century BC, put all the books of The Old Testament into something like their present form.3
When this review appeared in1
The New York Times I had just
arrived in Australia’s Northern
Territory & the heat of summer
was just beginning to make me
run for cover to air-conditioning
in my office, home and the cool
air of the car. The Old Testament
was on my universe’s periphery.
There it had always been in heat and
cold since those first stories when I
was in grade six in that little town in
Ontario’s Golden Horseshoe where
everyone I knew was Catholic or Jew
or Protestant, or nothing; yes, mostly
nothing and there they have remained
with that Old Testament far removed
from everyone’s everyday life. Still…
I have time now to try to get into it in
this the evening of my life; however
complex and abstruse it may be, I want
to make-up for the decades when it had
to remain far out on my life’s periphery.
1 Harold Bloom, “Prose and Poetry,” in The New York Times, 17 October, 1982: a review of Dan Jacobson’s THE STORY OF THE STORIES: The Chosen People and Its God.
3 See Frank Kermode, “God Speaks Through His Women,” in The New York Times, 23 September 1990: a review of Harold Bloom’s The Book of J.
Ron Price
5 July 2012
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"nothing new under the sun", hmmm who was the first to say that? (rhetorical question)
Sometimes, things pop up that should make people wonder if man was sophisticated when they were supposedly cave men.
http://www.s8int.com/sophis1.html
How about evidence of ancient atomic knowledge?
http://www.s8int.com/atomic1.html
What is more interesting and more scientifically observed is the origin of language.
http://www.s8int.com/babel.html
If one considers this evolution report below about apes and sign language, you can see what fact that they are overlooking and that is sign language is taught and then obeserved and learned by others, but in spite of all of that, they do not develop new sign language. They can learn to apply what they had learned towards another object like "more", but they do not create new sign languages on their own.
http://www.pigeon.psy.tufts.edu/psych26/language.htm
All the more indicative that the origin of language was provided by God as well as knowledge since man was created as a full grown man to take care of the future young.
Be kind of impossible for "an evolving man" to raise them properly or communicate with the mate, let alone "get a mate" if he had to develop language on his own and teach the future mate the language for a relationship. Isolated people found living out in the wild and raised by animals often have to be taught language skills. So where is the necessity for "the evolving man" to learn language at all? And yet the isolated man raised by animals have the capacity to learn to speak vocal language, but animals do not.
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