good thoughts brother mark, in most i find we agree.
one thing i wanted to work through first was this
Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
paul and barnabas disputed with them - the ones who brought it up "certain men" not themselves
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
note its none of the apostles who said it must be so - it was a sect of pharisees
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
there was much disputing - doesnt say between apostles - they were disputing with those who said they needed to be circumcision in flesh
peter stood up and set record straight for them - but there is no dispute in that between apostles, its with the pharises.
the vision of peter below
Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
above peter was thinking his message was just for jews, again i see a difference between that and preaching a mistruth
he was incorrect thinking something impure which God called pure. the message was the exact same he was pointing out to peter that its for gentiles too, to me not a change in doctrine at all just letting peter know its for gentiles too.
he had a vision showing him to preach it to the gentiles, and God himself showed him not man. paul didnt have to come up and say dude thats for everyone. God did it. a few moments later in acts is when he says you all know i was sent to preach it to gentiles referencing this vision.
so in none of these do i see apostle correcting apostle or man teaching them anything.
now most definatly the apostles and others are appointed teachers - and i know you know this without me saying that the Holy Spirit entered them and they taught what the spirit showed them. so they were appointed as teachers not by man but by Holy Spirit. so it holds that they needed no man teacheth them. when they are appointed as teachers, it is done through Holy Spirit and that is what teaches through them.
so what we are seeking is the truth given by God, he may have a person deliver it to us. but its not the man that is teaching, why they say you need that no man teacheth you. meaning if you are going to man to learn of God you are looking in wrong place, if you go to God and he sends you a man with a message of the HS to teach you thats his choice. either way no man is needed to teach you. it still came from God. may seem almost like a nonsense point but for me its a huge difference in where you are looking.
now do we all(those with HS) believe the correct thing right away ? nope
Holy Spirit has to undo alot of what we thought we know. for me the beam is still getting pulled out. hence he still making me aware of things i am in error of.
we look through a dim glass now that is very true, but what we are looking at behind the glass should be the same.
Good stuff brother mark i enjoy our discussions, its gettin late here so off to bed, see you back here soon