Deadpan Snarker
This doesn't even make sense.Originally Posted by ewq1938
The word means "nation", plural, "nations". Hosea 8 says "Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the nations" which makes perfect sense.Are you claiming that Goyim never refers to Gentiles?
What about here:
Hos_8:8 Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the Gentiles as a vessel wherein is no pleasure.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Senior Member
lol, and what verse speaks of gentiles then? What Hebrew word do you think is used to speak of them?
Deadpan Snarker
The word didn't exist in biblical Hebrew.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Senior Member
And who is it called the Goyim in the OT? Always Israel?
Deadpan Snarker
The word simply means "nation", or the plural, "nations". Sometimes, as in Exodus 19, that nation is Israel. Sometimes, as in Hosea 8, it refers to other nations.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Deadpan Snarker
Some other occurrences of the word:
Genesis 12:2 God will make Abraham into a Goy Gadol- is that "a great nation" or "A great gentile"?
2 Samuel 7:23 About Israel: Goy Echad - "One/unique nation" or "one/unique gentile"?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Posting Freak
What does Temple mean but the dwelling place of God. You can call it a tent or a tabernacle, but it is where God told Israel to meet with the Lord. It is found starting in Exodus. God set the location and method for Israel meeting with God. It was first a tent because Israel was traveling to the promised land, and then a permanent structure when they arrived at the promised land.
Where do we really meet God? Isn't it within our hearts? This is why the tabernacle today is made up of the hearts and minds of those that God dwells within.
This is why Jesus said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." Jonah was raised up on the third day, and was a sign of the Messiah who was to come.
The temple has been in the process of being built one stone at a time for close to two thousand years. When the last stone is in place the door will be shut.
Deadpan Snarker
OK, so it isn't in the bible.
'Nuff said.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Posting Freak
Isaiah 42:19-20 "Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? Seeing many things, but thou observest not, opening the ears, but he heareth not."
Deadpan Snarker
Oh, of course, anyone who disagrees with you must be blind.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Posting Freak
Ok! So when you live in Brooklyn and your son comes home and says the goys are stupid, who is he talking about?
Deadpan Snarker
Do you think this is how Jews see non-Jews?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Posting Freak
I think children, Jews or non-Jews, can be cruel.
Deadpan Snarker
Please don't use examples like the one you did above. Antisemites don't need any more ammo, you know?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Posting Freak
The point was that Jews see goyim as Gentiles.
The only reason a Jewish child would call a goy stupid would be because the goy first made fun of the Jewish child because of his difference, which is a natural phenomenon for children and adults.
Maybe I am just out of touch, but I have not seen any antisemitism since I was a child.
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