SAVED ONCE: IT’S SAVED OR WASN’T SAVED! –Netchaplain

[Netchaplain]

We can be saved only one time, because that’s all it takes and there’s no Scriptural evidence of anyone being saved twice.

We know that to be saved, one must come to Christ, for He said “No one comes to the Father except through Me” (Jhn. 14:6). We also know that it requires the drawing of one to Christ, by the Father, for “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him” (Jhn. 6:44).

Can anyone who is drawn by the Father, to Christ, refuse to come to Christ? “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me” (Jhn. 6:37). This is, at the least, declaring that all who come to Christ is because of the Father’s drawing, but I believe that it intends that all whom the Father draws “will” come to Christ, because the phrase “gives Me” in v 37is synonymous with “draw him” in v 44.

Does anyone who comes to Christ for salvation, ever leave Him? “That of all He has given Me I should lose nothing” (Jhn. 6:39).

One can appear to be in Christ by profession, but a said faith is a dead faith. “But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works” (Jam 2:18).

One can appear to be in Christ by demonstration. “Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness” (Mat 7:23).

Abiding in Christ is the evidence of being in Christ, because if they leave, it shows they never were in Christ, regardless of their profession and demonstration. “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but [they went out] that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us” (1Jo 2:19).

[Indueseason]

Oh good grief........another OSAS thread!

Just keep ignoring all the scripture that don't suit your favorite doctrine

Salvation is walk/race, it has a start and an end. Just like the race Paul speaks of. Step one, enter the race(surrender your life to Jesus). Step two, run that race( walk with Jesus,in accordance with His will). Step three,finish the race( run to that line marked out in the sands of time) and receive the crown of life! Throw that crown at the feet of Jesus and praise Him for all eternity!

I could post the whole NT to back this up, but you all have your own copy

blessings to you

[Butch5]

We can be saved only one time, because that’s all it takes and there’s no Scriptural evidence of anyone being saved twice.

We know that to be saved, one must come to Christ, for He said “No one comes to the Father except through Me” (Jhn. 14:6). We also know that it requires the drawing of one to Christ, by the Father, for “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him” (Jhn. 6:44).

Can anyone who is drawn by the Father, to Christ, refuse to come to Christ? “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me” (Jhn. 6:37). This is, at the least, declaring that all who come to Christ is because of the Father’s drawing, but I believe that it intends that all whom the Father draws “will” come to Christ, because the phrase “gives Me” in v 37is synonymous with “draw him” in v 44.

Does anyone who comes to Christ for salvation, ever leave Him? “That of all He has given Me I should lose nothing” (Jhn. 6:39).

One can appear to be in Christ by profession, but a said faith is a dead faith. “But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works” (Jam 2:18).

One can appear to be in Christ by demonstration. “Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness” (Mat 7:23).

Abiding in Christ is the evidence of being in Christ, because if they leave, it shows they never were in Christ, regardless of their profession and demonstration. “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but [they went out] that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us” (1Jo 2:19).

Hi Netchaplain,

I'm afraid you've taken these passages out of context. In context they don't say what you seem to be implying. For instance, the passages from John, how do you apply them to Gentiles? Jesus said I am not come but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

You also quoted John 6:39 which says I "should" lost none. The Greek is in the subjunctive mood which is indicated in the English by the word should. It implies probability or possibility but not certainty, So, It's not a guarantee that all would be raised at the last day and we know that because Judas was lost and he was one who was given to Christ.

You also quoted John 6:37 and 44. both of these statements are explaining what was happening during Jesus' earthly ministry. However, Jesus Himself said that that would change when He was lift up on the cross.

KJV John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (Joh 12:32 KJV)

So, that drawing that Jesus spoke of in John 6 changed at the cross and all men are drawn after that.

[Reynolds357]

We can be saved only one time, because that’s all it takes and there’s no Scriptural evidence of anyone being saved twice.

We know that to be saved, one must come to Christ, for He said “No one comes to the Father except through Me” (Jhn. 14:6). We also know that it requires the drawing of one to Christ, by the Father, for “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him” (Jhn. 6:44).

Can anyone who is drawn by the Father, to Christ, refuse to come to Christ? “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me” (Jhn. 6:37). This is, at the least, declaring that all who come to Christ is because of the Father’s drawing, but I believe that it intends that all whom the Father draws “will” come to Christ, because the phrase “gives Me” in v 37is synonymous with “draw him” in v 44.

Does anyone who comes to Christ for salvation, ever leave Him? “That of all He has given Me I should lose nothing” (Jhn. 6:39).

One can appear to be in Christ by profession, but a said faith is a dead faith. “But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works” (Jam 2:18).

One can appear to be in Christ by demonstration. “Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness” (Mat 7:23).

Abiding in Christ is the evidence of being in Christ, because if they leave, it shows they never were in Christ, regardless of their profession and demonstration. “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but [they went out] that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us” (1Jo 2:19).

I dont necessarily agree with your application of scripture you are using to back your premise, but you are 100% correct that a man can not be saved twice.

[Saved7]

I feel a once saved always saved debated coming on.

[Netchaplain]

Hi Indueseason. Hope all is well with you and yours! I don't see the race, which God has set us in, as an issue of completing the race but an issue of how we run it. "With patience" (Hbr 12:1), because patience is the prime indicator of our trust in God. Jesus said, "By your patience possess your souls" (Luk 21:19) and James wrote, "But let patience have [its] perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing" (Jam 1:4).

[keyzer soze]

So when Paul refers to someone as a saint or being saved in the past tense, are you suggesting that Paul would remove that title down the road? He calls those at the church of Corinth saved and they don't seem to have much going on that is righteous there....

[Netchaplain]

Greetings Butch5 and God bless. The Father sent Him to the Jew first, then to the Gentile, through His Apostles. "And other sheep (Gentiles) I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one Shepherd" (Jhn 10:16). The believing Jews and the believing Gentiles make "one new man." "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain (Jews/Gentiles) one new man" (Eph 2:15).

Judas never was in Christ because he served mamon over Christ. "He was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it" (Jhn 12:6). "Ye cannot serve God and mammon" (Mat 6:24).

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life" (1Jo 5:13).

[Butch5]

Greetings Butch5 and God bless. The Father sent Him to the Jew first, then to the Gentile, through His Apostles. "And other sheep (Gentiles) I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one Shepherd" (Jhn 10:16). The believing Jews and the believing Gentiles make "one new man." "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain (Jews/Gentiles) one new man" (Eph 2:15).

Judas never was in Christ because he served mamon over Christ. "He was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it" (Jhn 12:6). "Ye cannot serve God and mammon" (Mat 6:24).

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life" (1Jo 5:13).

Hi Netchaplain,

OK, Jesus words come to the Gentiles through the apostles, the question is which words?

Are you certain that the other sheep are the Gentiles? To my knowledge Jesus does not state this. He also says they shall here my voice, when did or do the Gentiles hear His voice?

Regarding Judas, whether he was in Christ or not isn't at issue. Judas was one who was given to Christ. Jesus said, all that the Father "gives me". Judas was one of them.

[Netchaplain]

Hi Reynolds357. Names which are in the Book of Life are never removed and the names were in there before creation and even from eternity past, in our Father's mind.

"According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world" (Eph 1:4).

"For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of His Son" ((Rom 8:29).

Some may attempt to use Rev 2:5 as support for the concept of loss of regeneration but in context it referrs to chastisement, not condemnation. Repentance of a saint always follows God's chastisement.

[Netchaplain]

God's blessings to you and yours Keyzer soze! Paul told the church in Corinth that they were "still carnal" (1Cr 3:3) and only "babes in Christ" (v1) because they were living in "envy and arguing which caused divisions" (v3). Plus they allowed, without rebuking (1Cr 5:2), sexual immorality (1Cr 5:1) from one certain person.

Not sure what you mean by "So when Paul refers to someone as a saint or being saved in the past tense, are you suggesting that Paul would remove that title down the road?"

[Netchaplain]

You have good questions Butch5! The believing Gentiles are the only ones which were not a part of Israel and the Law of Moses.

The words for salvation to the Gentiles were the same for the Jews who believed in Him, the Gospel of Christ, which is that He is the Son of God and that God provided salvation to all by raising Him from the dead. (Rom 10:9, 10).

"Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off (Gentiles) are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us (there was a wall in the temple which seperated the Jews and Gentiles during worship); for to make in Himself of twain (Jews/Gentiles one new man (one Body, one fold); That he might reconcile both unto God in one Body; And came and preached peace to you which were afar off (Gentiles), and to them that were nigh (Jews); For through Him we both (Jews/Gentiles) have access by one Spirit unto the Father" (Eph 2:11-18).

Judas, by his lifstyle, manifested that the Father didn't give him to Jesus. Some were with Christ, but not of Him. Some even did miracles in His name and were not of Him. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Mat 7:22, 23). Notice Jesus said I "never" knew you. Not knew you and then didn't know you.

[Butch5]

You have good questions Butch5! The believing Gentiles are the only ones which were not a part of Israel and the Law of Moses.

The words for salvation to the Gentiles were the same for the Jews who believed in Him, the Gospel of Christ, which is that He is the Son of God and that God provided salvation to all by raising Him from the dead. (Rom 10:9, 10).

"Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off (Gentiles) are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For He is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us (there was a wall in the temple which seperated the Jews and Gentiles during worship); for to make in Himself of twain (Jews/Gentiles one new man (one Body, one fold); That he might reconcile both unto God in one Body; And came and preached peace to you which were afar off (Gentiles), and to them that were nigh (Jews); For through Him we both (Jews/Gentiles) have access by one Spirit unto the Father" (Eph 2:11-18).

Judas, by his lifstyle, manifested that the Father didn't give him to Jesus. Some were with Christ, but not of Him. Some even did miracles in His name and were not of Him. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Mat 7:22, 23). Notice Jesus said I "never" knew you. Not knew you and then didn't know you.

Hi Netchaplain,

Here are the words I was referring to,

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: {teach...: or, make disciples, or, Christians of all nations}
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.(Mat 28:19-20 KJV)

The words that apply to the Gentiles are the teachings of Jesus. John 6:44 is not Jesus' teachings, he's simply making a statement. He's not telling them to teach this to the nations so why do those of the Reformed persuasion teach this as doctrine. The same can be said for the other passage in John 6. The sermon on the Mount is Jesus teaching His disciples, Jesus telling Peter to come to Him on the water is not. If those of the Reformed persuasion teach that the calling in John 6 refers to the Gentiles why not do the same for Jesus' words to Peter? Shouldn't we teach that Christians can walk on water?

Regarding Judas, again, his being in Christ is not at issue, Jesus said, and you posted,

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. (Joh 6:39 KJV)

Jesus also said,

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
(Joh 17:4-12 KJV)

According to Jesus Himself it is clear that Judas was given to him. He says they had received and kept God's word. In verse 39, He says He "should" raise them up at the last day. That's conditional, should indicates possibility not certainty.

[Diggindeeper]

Hi Reynolds357. Names which are in the Book of Life are never removed and the names were in there before creation and even from eternity past, in our Father's mind.

"According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world" (Eph 1:4).

"For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of His Son" ((Rom 8:29).

Some may attempt to use Rev 2:5 as support for the concept of loss of regeneration but in context it referrs to chastisement, not condemnation. Repentance of a saint always follows God's chastisement.

This is one of the many scriptures that say your name CAN be removed from the Book of Life...

Revelations 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

He will not blot out your name IF YOU OVERCOME! People do walk away from the Lord all the time! Their name can and WILL be blotted out.

[Netchaplain]

Butch5, when Jesus referred to "all the Father giveth Me" He was including only those the Father gave Him for eternal life. Though Judas was given to Christ as an apostle, yet not in eternal election, to be saved by Him. Christ only lost him as a false Apostle. Jesus never had him in the first place, concerning eternal life, so He couldn't lose Judas in this intended sense.