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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    This is taken from the Kelly commentary

    Sorry for the cut and paste.

    But there is another thing. In watching against hasty and harsh judgment, there might be the abuse of grace. And the Lord immediately couples this with the former: "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." We must carefully remember that the Lord is not here speaking about the gospel going out to sinners. God forbid that we should not carry out the grace of God to every quarter under heaven, because nothing less than this ought to be the desire and effort of every saint of God. All ought to have the spirit of active love going out after others, energetic desires for the salvation and the blessing of souls; for it were a sad shortcoming if it went not beyond souls being brought to Christ. Seeking to grow up into Christ and glorify Him in all things, to know and do the will of God is our calling. In this verse the Lord is not taking up the question of the gospel going out indiscriminately; for, if there be a difference, the gospel best suits those called "dogs", which, to the Jews, was a figure of all that is abominable. Speaking of thieves, drunkards, extortioners, etc., the apostle says: "Such were some of you; but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
    It might be asked, Is not the wickedness of one man greater than that of another? On an earthly platform, one might say, Much every way; but God does not, in saving souls, make these distinctions. So, speaking of believers from among the Jews, the apostle says they had been "children of wrath, even as others." There may have been highly moral characters among them. Did this dispose them better towards God's grace? Alas, where the soul finds a justification of itself in what it is, nothing can be more dangerous. The apostle himself had been an example of this very thing. It is a hard thing for a man who had been building on his righteousness to bow to the truth that he can only enter heaven upon the ground of a publican and a sinner. But so it must be, if the soul is to receive salvation from God through the faith of Jesus.
    The Lord, then, is not in anywise restraining the gospel from going out to every quarter; but He speaks of the relations of His own people with the unholy. The believer is not to bring out for these the special treasures that are the Christian portion. The gospel is the riches of God's grace to the world. But, besides the gospel, we have the special affections of Christ to the Church, His loving care for His servants, the hope! of His coining again, the glorious prospects of the Church as His bride, etc. If you were to talk about these things, which we may call the pearls of the saints, with those out of Christ, you are on wrong ground. If you were to insist upon the duties of the faithful in worldly company, then it is giving that which is holy unto the dogs. There is blessed provision for "the dogs" - the crumbs that fall from the Master's table. And such is the great grace of God toward us, that the crumbs which fall to our portion, Gentiles as we were, are the best.
    Whatever may be the benefits promised to the Jew, the grace of God has brought out in the gospel fuller blessings than ever was promised to Israel. What can Israel have to compare with the mighty deliverance of God that we know now? The consciousness of being completely cleansed from all sin; of having the righteousness of God for ours at once and for ever in Christ; of present access to Him as Father through a rent veil; and made His temple through the Holy Ghost dwelling in us. As the Lord Himself said to the woman of Samaria, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give Me to drink, thou wouldst have asked of Him, and He would have given thee living water." Where Christ is received now, by whomsoever it may be, there is this fulness of blessing, and the well is within the believer. "The water that I shall give hilt shall be in him a well of water, springing up into everlasting life." Thus we may see how wide and perfect is His grace, while it forbids certain things being thrown indiscriminately among the ungodly. Any act that implies fellowship between a believer and an unbeliever is false. Take, for instance, the question of worship, and the habit of calling the whole round of devotions worship. Worship supposes communion with the Father and the Son, and with each other in it. But the system which, founded on an easy rite which pretends to regenerate all, unites believers and unbelievers in one common form and calls it worship, is casting what is holy unto dogs. Is it not a thinly-disguised attempt to put the sheep and dogs upon the same ground? In vain. You cannot unite before God the enemies of Christ and those that belong to Him. You cannot mingle as one people those that have got life and those that have not. The attempt to do so is sin, and constant dishonour of the Lord. All effort to have a worship of this mixed character is going in the very teeth of the sixth verse.
    On the other hand, preaching the gospel, where it is kept distinct from worship, is right and blessed. When the day of judgment comes upon this world, where does the worst stroke fall? Not upon the openly profane world, but upon Babylon, because Babylon is the confusion of what is of Christ with evil - the attempt to make communion between light and darkness. "Come out of her, My people," says the Lord, "that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Partaker of her sins is the grave affair with God. It is the acceptance of a common ground upon which the Church and the world can join; when the very object of God, and that for which Christ died, was that He might have a separate people unto Himself, so as to be, by their very consecration unto God, a light in this world - not a witness of pride, saying, "Stand by, I am holier than thou," but Christ's epistle, that tells the world where the living water is to be found, and bids them come: "Whosoever will, let him take of the water of life freely."
    Where we do not confound the religion of the world with the worship that goes up to God from His people, there you will also have the true line of demarcation - where we ought to judge and where we ought not. There will be active service towards the world with the gospel, but a careful separation of the Church from the world. This is also true individually. Yet persons take advantage of the word of God that says, "If an unbeliever bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go," etc.; but take care how you go, and for what. If you go self-confident, you will but dishonour Christ; if to please yourself, this is poor ground; if to please other people, it is little better.
    There may be occasions when the love of Christ would constrain a soul to go and bear a testimony to His love in a worldly company, yet if we knew how easily words may be said, and things done, that imply communion with that which is contrary to Christ, there would be fear and trembling; but where there is self-confidence, there never can be the power of God.

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    Christ also said "Let the dead bury the dead." I don't think it was said to be cruel and I don't believe the people were actually dead at the time that he said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    Why do you think that is so in this case? In context, is he talking about preaching the gospel?
    The word there is Holy...which basically means something special. Don't waste such things on those who cannot possibly appreciate or understand. It takes discernment for that. I think the basic concept of the gospel can be shared with anyone, but beyond that we have to be more discerning.

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDGresham1 View Post
    Christ also said "Let the dead bury the dead." I don't think it was said to be cruel and I don't believe the people were actually dead at the time that he said it.
    they were and are 100 percent dead, just because someone is walking and talking doesnt mean they are alive.

    we died when the fruit was ate.

    now we need the Holy Spirit to have life.

    walking talking all that stuff is not life at all.

    the Spirit is life, not flesh.

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    I think the "pearls" are other believers. For instance, Jesus in the kingdom parables talks about a "pearl of great price" that a merchant goes and sells everything he has to buy that pearl. Jesus sold everything he had to buy just one believer. He bought us and he searched for us, not the other way around. When we throw a "pearl" to the swine and dogs, (think gossip, slander, misjudging, etc.) then we too will find ourselves "judged in the same manner we judged others". We will be torn in the same way.
    Would that "Pearl" not be just another "Holy Act?" Scripture teaches that none are Holy (righteous). We know that we were designed in God's image. Therefore, God Loves, and we Love. God forgives, therefore we can forgive. God judges, therefore we can judge too. We can do all of these things and some would even argue that we can even create, just as God can, not that we are God, but that we were created in his image. Each of these could also be twisted and used to do great evil.

    Because each "Holy Act" can be twisted by the evil one, we must use discernment before we act, or we are guilty of tossing the pearl out for the evil one to twist. I would understand a Pearl just to be that, a piece of God's heart with Godly understanding of how to use it.

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Race Runner View Post
    Would that "Pearl" not be just another "Holy Act?" Scripture teaches that none are Holy (righteous). We know that we were designed in God's image. Therefore, God Loves, and we Love. God forgives, therefore we can forgive. God judges, therefore we can judge too. We can do all of these things and some would even argue that we can even create, just as God can, not that we are God, but that we were created in his image. Each of these could also be twisted and used to do great evil.

    Because each "Holy Act" can be twisted by the evil one, we must use discernment before we act, or we are guilty of tossing the pearl out for the evil one to twist. I would understand a Pearl just to be that, a piece of God's heart with Godly understanding of how to use it.
    When Moses came to the burning bush, God told him to take off his shoes because he was on holy ground. What made that ground holy? God's presence did!

    Eph 1:4-5
    4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would beholy and blameless before Him. In love
    NASU

    We are holy and blameless because of the Lord and what he did to us and because He is in us.

    We are not to cast holy brothers (pearls) to the dogs and swine unless we are judging righteously. Because if we don't judge righteously, then they will turn and rend us too.

    The reason I am not sure the pearl is another holy act is I don't see pearls described that way in scripture. They might be and I have just missed it. Perhaps there is a verse out there that talks about pearls in this way.
    "May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.

    May I live for Him and not for me.

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caleb View Post
    This is taken from the Kelly commentary... for, if there be a difference, the gospel best suits those called "dogs", which, to the Jews, was a figure of all that is abominable. Speaking of thieves, drunkards, extortioners, etc., the apostle says: "Such were some of you; but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."...
    And here is where I stopped reading...(not directed towards you, but the author "Kelly") [though I did read the entire post]

    This was the whole point of bringing this topic up. Jesus would not in one sentence talk so deeply about being judgmental, then in the next call people "Dogs." Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? So what was he really saying? I can't believe for a minute that Jesus would resort to name calling especially when it is directed to anyone who has the potential of being one of God's children. This is why I don’t think he was talking about people, but demons and Satan’s minions. Think Gnashing of Teeth and what happened to the Demon possessed man from Decapolis. I really think he was talking about Satan’s minions here. Even when Jesus confronted the man from Decapolis, he showed compassion. I don't recall that he call him "Dog."

    Even in the book of John, when the followers were ready to stone him, the worst he did was to tell them that they had a father, but it was not his father.

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    The reason I am not sure the pearl is another holy act is I don't see pearls described that way in scripture.
    From what I can tell, every passage that mentions the "Pearl" does so as it is something treasured. So I can see the reference where you are wanting to place this with 1 Corinthians and how Paul exiled the sinner, but to do so means that Jesus was calling people "dogs" and "pigs." How can that be justified?

    I am inclined to start another thread on "Righteousness" as I follow Righteousness in terms of that which is creditted from God (Galatians 3:6 and Romans 3).

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    From what I am getting from many of the post here is that there is a separation from those who have understanding and those who don’t. I am understanding through Paul’s actions that I am to be all things to all people, though I am not without sin, and around the sinner, I don’t feed the nature of sinfulness, but feed what is holy and up right. I do this not just to be friendly, but so that I may be-friend them and have a better chance at showing them what Christ has done for me. In doing so, I then can bring them the Gospel. Just because they are not a believer does not mean I should withhold the chance of bringing the Gospel to them. But if I were to follow this scripture as some here would have me to believe it reads, then I would not ever bring them the Gospel for the Gospel is holy, and why would I give what is holy to the dogs?

    1 Corinthian 9 (NIV)
    19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Race Runner View Post
    From what I can tell, every passage that mentions the "Pearl" does so as it is something treasured. So I can see the reference where you are wanting to place this with 1 Corinthians and how Paul exiled the sinner, but to do so means that Jesus was calling people "dogs" and "pigs." How can that be justified?
    When the guy in 1 Cor. 5 was turned over, he wasn't turned over to people. he was turned over to the enemy. I am calling satan and his demons dogs and pigs. They are the ones that will turn and rend you. They are the "tormentors" in Matthew 18 that we get turned over to when we don't forgive, etc....
    "May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.

    May I live for Him and not for me.

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    another thing to remember about swine, is Christ letting the evil spirits flee into them then they ran down mountain into sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Race Runner View Post
    And here is where I stopped reading...(not directed towards you, but the author "Kelly") [though I did read the entire post]

    This was the whole point of bringing this topic up. Jesus would not in one sentence talk so deeply about being judgmental, then in the next call people "Dogs." Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? So what was he really saying? I can't believe for a minute that Jesus would resort to name calling especially when it is directed to anyone who has the potential of being one of God's children. This is why I don’t think he was talking about people, but demons and Satan’s minions. Think Gnashing of Teeth and what happened to the Demon possessed man from Decapolis. I really think he was talking about Satan’s minions here. Even when Jesus confronted the man from Decapolis, he showed compassion. I don't recall that he call him "Dog."

    Even in the book of John, when the followers were ready to stone him, the worst he did was to tell them that they had a father, but it was not his father.
    But didn't Jesus also call some vipers, and that their father was the devil. He also called some hypocrites, a perverse generation, and He spoke of dogs having the crumbs from underneath the table etc….

    I think that we need to consider that Jesus said that He did not judge, but that His Father Judged.
    Unfortunately when we judge, more often than not we do so from our own set of values.

    If someone was to ask me what I thought of this sin or that sin, then in truth it means jot what I think or feel, but what God says about this sin or that sin.

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    @ fewarechosen
    So I should refrain from swimming in the ocean then? j/k

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Mark View Post
    When the guy in 1 Cor. 5 was turned over, he wasn't turned over to people. he was turned over to the enemy. I am calling satan and his demons dogs and pigs. They are the ones that will turn and rend you. They are the "tormentors" in Matthew 18 that we get turned over to when we don't forgive, etc....
    That I agree with...

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    Re: Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Race Runner View Post
    So I should refrain from swimming in the ocean then? j/k
    well if you want to look deep, there is a reason Christ walked on water, and a reason in genises that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.and why the whore sitteth upon many waters.

    yea dont go in that ocean

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