The coming conflict between Israel and Iran, is it a prelude to the seven year treaty of Dan.9:27?
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The coming conflict between Israel and Iran, is it a prelude to the seven year treaty of Dan.9:27?
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No. Although I support Israel more than Iran, Iran is not a fraction as bad as the propaganda of certain countries makes out. As long as it is not attacked or put under severe pressure/provocation it will continue to mind its own business. I also think that Iran ought to tag down the rhetoric against Israel a bit. They do not help their own situation either.
The USA should stay well clear of this conflict, and instead of meddling and bringing warships to the area, they should hold back and encourage Israel to do the same. I completely sympathise that Iran is furious because Israel/USA enters their territory and assasinates five of their top scientists!
I don't know, I think we will see more nations that Iran alone, though they, like others over there have sworn to destroy Israel. I don't think Iran will take on Israel by herself. Iran is going to want some partners in crime.Originally Posted by seeker_truth
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I do believe its the prelude to a time of peace and prosperity for the middle Eastern region. Its the final battle to consoladate Islam under the power of the west-friendly Turkey. It does not matter what the reason is, the plan is for Iran to be invaded by Israel and nothing will stop that plan. The end result will be that Israel and Turkey will control the entire region from Libya to Afghanistan, in a large western friendly EU type situation.
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Iran hasn't "minded it's own business" for years. They've given substantial support to Hamas that is Israel's sworn enemies. Hamas has fought for Israel's overthrow for years.
Why do you think they did that? Is there not a cause?The USA should stay well clear of this conflict, and instead of meddling and bringing warships to the area, they should hold back and encourage Israel to do the same. I completely sympathise that Iran is furious because Israel/USA enters their territory and assasinates five of their top scientists!
Also, you do know that the US has a treaty with Israel. They are considered an ally. I doubt the US would leave them hanging if war breaks out.
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.
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Well, I simply don't support the aggressive foreign policy of the USA. I am not an American and I have no ties or sense of loyalty to that country, so I will say it as I see it. To me the behaviour of the USA in certain parts of the world is completely reprehensible. Sorry if this opinion is offensive to you. I like Americans and the actual country - it's just the foreign policies I can't stand, and I am not alone in this.
Sure, I support Israel as a country and the principle that the Jews have a right to that piece of land.
I find some aspects of the Iranian regime quite repulsive.
But I think that fundamentally this is the problem of the Iranian people and not me.
Iran has lots of internal problems to deal with and will not attack Israel out of the blue.
Israel has an excellent army and can defend itself.
Let them sort out their own problems and history to take its course.
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No problem there. I don't expect everyone to agree with me or the US. What got me, was your comment about Iran minding their own business.
That's true. Unless you have promised to defend your neighbor and your neighbor is attacked. That's what treaties are for.Sure, I support Israel as a country and the principle that the Jews have a right to that piece of land.
I find some aspects of the Iranian regime quite repulsive.
But I think that fundamentally this is the problem of the Iranian people and not me.
Sure, unless you have treaties involved. Countries enter into treaties all the time to strengthen and protect themselves.Iran has lots of internal problems to deal with and will not attack Israel out of the blue.
Israel has an excellent army and can defend itself.
Let them sort out their own problems and history to take its course.
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus
No, since there is nothing about a seven year treaty mentioned in Daniel 9:27 but rather a covenant being confirmed in the midst of the 70th week. That prophecy was fulfilled long ago, IMO. Christ was to be crucified after the first 69 weeks were over (Dan 9:26) so that means He was crucified in the midst of the 70th week and He confirmed the new covenant which brought an end to the need for animal sacrifices as sin offerings as in the old covenant system.
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I thought that the USA supported Israel because of the large number of Jews and evangelical Christians in the USA. What is this treaty called that you are referring to?
Assuming there is a defense pact of some kind, surely that does not involve acts like supporting assasinations inside of Iran (that's more likely to be an act of war).
And as for the paranoia about nukes in the Middle East: It is well known that Israel already has nukes, and somehow this doesn't seem to shock or concern anyone. Israel together with countries like North Korea and Pakistan has refused to sign the non-proliferation treaty. But that's OK if you are pals with the USA... Iran however, did sign the treaty has been willing to recieve inspections and maintains that their program is for peaceful purposes.
Meanwhile the USA is sending warships to Iran, seizes foreign assets and starts a massive propaganda offensive. I dislike the obvious hypocrisy that's going on with all this, and as much as I don't care for Iran I am not surprised they react as they do when they are literally thrown out into the cold and made the villains.
Then add the fact that Iran has one of the largest oil supplies in the world, in addition to newly conquered/"liberated" countries like Iraq and Libya... then I think I can "read the writing on the wall", so to speak.
Well, that's it - I'd better not say a single word more about this, or every patriotic American on this forum will despise me... But it's good to hear an opposing viewpoint sometimes and there you had it!
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Sigh. If only. They fund and arm Hizbullah, which killed 241 American servicemen in Beirut and started a war against Israel; and Hamas, which overthrew the PA in Gaza and has also started a war against Israel. And there is plenty of evidence that Iran supported terrorists in Iraq that killed American servicemen.
If that's Iran "minding their own business" I'd hate to see them meddling. seriously.
Well maybe if Iran didn't talk about "wiping Israel off the map" and "cutting out the cancer that is Israel", the Israelis wouldn't worry about Iranian nukes.I completely sympathise that Iran is furious because Israel/USA enters their territory and assasinates five of their top scientists!
As things stand right now, I believe Israel will stop Iran from going nuclear by any means necessary. Charles Krauthammer said last week: “I cannot imagine the Israelis are going to allow Iran to go nuclear and to hold the Damocles sword over 6 million Jews all over again. Israel was established to prevent a second Holocaust, not to invite one.”
End times? Certainly possible.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Yeah, isn't that funny? Israel has nukes for decades, and the arab countries don't care. Iran is about to go nuclear and now the Saudis and the Egyptians are talking about building nukes themselves.
Things that make you go hmm....
The IAEA says otherwise.Iran however, did sign the treaty has been willing to recieve inspections and maintains that their program is for peaceful purposes.
The US sent warships to the Persian gulf, not Iran. And they were sent because Iran said they would block oil tankers.Meanwhile the USA is sending warships to Iran,
What assets were seized?seizes foreign assets
What propaganda offensive?and starts a massive propaganda offensive.
Well yeah, that's what happens when you hold sham elections and talk about eliminating another country.I dislike the obvious hypocrisy that's going on with all this, and as much as I don't care for Iran I am not surprised they react as they do when they are literally thrown out into the cold and made the villains.
And here I thought it was only GWB who spilled blood for oil, now Obama's going to do it too?!Then add the fact that Iran has one of the largest oil supplies in the world, in addition to newly conquered/"liberated" countries like Iraq and Libya... then I think I can "read the writing on the wall", so to speak.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Your probably partially right on that. The other reason the US supports them is they are a stable democracy in a crazy part of the world.
Here's a link that will go over all the treaties the US has with Israel.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...tml#Friendship
Better that than to allow Iran to go nuclear, IMO.Assuming there is a defense pact of some kind, surely that does not involve acts like supporting assasinations inside of Iran (that's more likely to be an act of war).
That's because Israel doesn't go around making threats about destroying countries like Iran does. Israel hasn't supported blatant acts of terrorism like Iran has. Apples and oranges.And as for the paranoia about nukes in the Middle East: It is well known that Israel already has nukes, and somehow this doesn't seem to shock or concern anyone.
Israel is no one to be afraid of. They handle themselves quite well in the world. North Korea and Pakistan on the other hand... not so much.Israel together with countries like North Korea and Pakistan has refused to sign the non-proliferation treaty. But that's OK if you are pals with the USA...
Yea... and it's for purely peaceful purposes that they have stated, repeatedly, that one of their ultimate goals is the destruction of Israel.Iran however, did sign the treaty has been willing to recieve inspections and maintains that their program is for peaceful purposes.
I see no hypocrisy. There are reasons each country is treated differently. I think the west learned a lot from Neville Chamberlain.Meanwhile the USA is sending warships to Iran, seizes foreign assets and starts a massive propaganda offensive. I dislike the obvious hypocrisy that's going on with all this, and as much as I don't care for Iran I am not surprised they react as they do when they are literally thrown out into the cold and made the villains.
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the just reward for His sufferings." A quote by Moravian missionary that sold himself (along with a friend) into slavery to reach those that the slave owner prevented from hearing the gospel.
May I live for Him and not for me.
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Weirdly enough, just today the head of Hizbullah said that Iran has been supporting them since 1982.
And of course there are the two attempted Israeli embassy bombings yesterday, presumably by Hizbullah.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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I agree with you on everything you say here, but I will tell you what is going to happen in reality. There is going to be an escalation of fingers pointing at Iran, including comments of their leaders misquoted by western media. An escalation of terrorist attacks on Israel and Jews that the western media will blame on Iran. Then there will be a direct attack on Israel that Israel will claim they have proof that it came directly from Iran's borders, and then Israel will attack Iran as if Iran has been the aggressor the entire time. The politicians of the world will accept this as justified. The American people will accept this as justified. About half the non-Western populations of the world will understand that Iran has been set up for an invasion and yet will have no proof of this.
Except a knowledge of other comments by Iran's leaders that they are not on the offensive, and a knowledge that Iran is aware of their comparative military weakness and so would never do a attack on Israel that would invite an invasion. But possibly before the end of this year Israel will invade Iran. Look at this wikipedia article regarding the western media's miquote of the Iranian leader's comments:
Its no secret that he hates Israel, believing that the Palestinians should have more right to vote in the areas they used to live in. But they do not hate Jews and treat Jews well within their own country. Jews in Iran are treated with religious tolerance by the general populace and also by the government.At a news conference on January 14, 2006, Ahmadinejad stated his speech had been exaggerated and misinterpreted.[26] "There is no new policy, they created a lot of hue and cry over that. It is clear what we say: Let the Palestinians participate in free elections and they will say what they want." Speaking at a D-8 summit meeting in July 2008, he denied that his country would ever instigate military action. Instead he claimed that "the Zionist regime" in Israel would eventually collapse on its own.[27][28]Asked if he objected to the government of Israel or Jewish people, he said that "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish". He added that Jews lived in Iran and were represented in the country's parliament.[27]In a September 2008 interview Ahmadinejad was asked: "If the Palestinian leaders agree to a two-state solution, could Iran live with an Israeli state?" He replied:If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums.[29]
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Interesting comment DurbanDude. I also see a development towards what you describe. It seems very similar to what happened ahead of the Iraq war, the propaganda war has surely started a long time ago, but it's being ramped up recently. And they'd sure like to get their hands on all that oil and get rid of Ahmadinejad & his rhetoric in one go.
I think the Iranian army is quite capabable though and I wonder how something like this would pan out in reality. All the Iranians may no be that fond of all aspects of the current regime, but they would dislike an American invasion immensely more... Plus, Iranians are well educated - these are no Pakistani illiterates or Iraqi tribes...
Do you really think the USA has the capacity proceed with another war now though? I mean, look at their econonomy! The way things are going, the US will soon be nothing but a right wing war machine /some kind of military dictatorship that babbles incessantly about freedom and democracy for others, while civilians around the world are dying at their hands.
There is very little production taking place there, the state of education is shocking and there is no guaranteed medical care. How much are are Americans going to put up with before they put their feet down and say "enough is enough"? Will they allow their leaders to totally destroy a once great nation? How can Americans support the invasion of countries that they have no information on other than propaganda news, countries they can't even point out on the map, all the while the wealth of the country dwindles away and into the pockets of the military industry, oil companies etc...?
A tiny elite will soon sit with all the wealth America once had, not caring that the country is finished and China takes over as the super power.And America won't have an ounce of moral superiority over the countries it claims to "liberate".
Never thought I'd speak out in defense of Iran, but the idea of an invasion there is wrong for so many reasons.
Much better to let things take their course and Iranians themselves to reform the regime from inside. After all, it's there as the result of a popular revolution, even if things perhaps did not pan out exactly as the revolutionaries envisaged.
I would only support a war on Iran if it made an outright attack on Israel, and that seems to me extremely unlikely.
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