Israel Makes Preparations for War

[Fenris]

I understand you. But all I can do right now is get on my knees and beg God for help.

Then perhaps it's your mission to do that. Nothing wrong with that.

But I'm not of the mindset that prayer alone will solve this problem.

[quiet dove]

I agree with both of you...

I think prayer is powerful because God is powerful

But I also think that the very prayer may be toward "what can I do", and also, even when we do things by the power of God, the crucial issue is being willing before God, being willing to be obedient, and just flat out be willing to do what is right.

Regardless of ones religious convictions, the fact remains that right is right and wrong is wrong, the thing is, when folks leave out God they are left to determine right and wrong according to their own will and not His.

And all men will be held accountable for their decisions, so while we pray for God's intervention, and we to also pray for His guidance and our obedience of His will in regards to actually doing something...all of that is also what we will be held accountable for...were we in willing obedience before God

[ChristianCoffee]

Then perhaps it's your mission to do that. Nothing wrong with that.

But I'm not of the mindset that prayer alone will solve this problem.

If I could, I would be more then willing to go to Israel right now and bear arms against her enemies. But I cannot. So I do pray. And here is what I pray for:

1) People will rise up to protect Israel

2) The US will stand up and help Israel

3) That the Israeli people will be able to have some sort of peace to raise their children

4) That someone will step into the gap and defend Israel before the UN

5) That God will lead His children, and protect them

6) That Gods Will shall be done in all things


In one form or another, that is how I have been praying for Israel. I normally would not put something like that out there (as I believe prayer is more of a private matter in many ways), but I would like you to know. No matter what, Israel does not stand alone before God.

In Him,

CC

Genesis 12:1-3

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

[Dani H]

But it wasn't a praying person that smashed the Nazi regime. It was millions of screaming infantry men.

Perhaps raised up in response to a praying person?

You should know your own God and history better than this, no?

[Fenris]

Perhaps raised up in response to a praying person?

If everyone said "I'm going to pray and let God take care of it", it wouldn't get taken care of, see?

[ChristianCoffee]

If everyone said "I'm going to pray and let God take care of it", it wouldn't get taken care of, see?

I do not think everyone says that, Fenris. Because if they did, and if they actually did as they say they are going to, we truly would not be in this mess today.

I pray God raises someone up to help Israel; because right now it looks as if no one is going to step into the gap for her.

[student of the Lamb]

God has it all under control. He has a plan and it is going just as he planned it.

[Dani H]

If everyone said "I'm going to pray and let God take care of it", it wouldn't get taken care of, see?

If God takes care of anything, He always uses people to do it, see? Didn't He raise up Moses in response to prayer for a deliverer?

[Caleb]

If God takes care of anything, He always uses people to do it, see? Didn't He raise up Moses in response to prayer for a deliverer?

Sometimes He opens the floor to swollow them up, sometimes He sends fire down from above, sometimes He brings a flood......

[slightlypuzzled]

If I remember right David, a man of prayer and deep faith, took FIVE stones with him to slay Goliath...is that an example for us?.....

[Reynolds357]

If everyone said "I'm going to pray and let God take care of it", it wouldn't get taken care of, see?

The Christians number one excuse for the fact that they are doing absolutely NOTHING is "I am praying about it." The only worse excuse is "I am going to pray about it."

[Reynolds357]

Sometimes He opens the floor to swollow them up, sometimes He sends fire down from above, sometimes He brings a flood......

Sometimes, like 99.9999999999999% of the time He required His children to get off their rear ends and do something to help themselves.

[Reynolds357]

God has it all under control. He has a plan and it is going just as he planned it.

Good to know that. Why do we even care then? No matter how screwed up something is, we can find comfort in the fact that it is all God's fault.

[student of the Lamb]

Good to know that. Why do we even care then? No matter how screwed up something is, we can find comfort in the fact that it is all God's fault.

God is perfect and Holy and makes no mistakes. He does not make all our moves for us. He allows things to fall as they may and He does make certain adjustments to keep everything on the track He has for us. God answers all prayers but not always as we want them answered and not always when we want them answered. He also sometimes does want us to understand that we must be responsible for our own actions. He spent 40 years teaching the Children of Israel how to be responsible for themselves and they continued to whine and gripe and complain for most of if not all of those forty years. His plan and purpose for us is for us to be what he wants us to be. If that is His fault, I'll take it. We Americans have americanized Christianity to the point that we pray for this and for that from God and in that process we have de-centralized God and put ourselves between us and Him. We are so self absorbed that we can no longer see that God expects us to live as He wants us to and act and do as He wants us to do. His plan is moving along just as He saw it would long before Adam even walked this earth.

[Caleb]

God is perfect and Holy and makes no mistakes. He does not make all our moves for us. He allows things to fall as they may and He does make certain adjustments to keep everything on the track He has for us. God answers all prayers but not always as we want them answered and not always when we want them answered. He also sometimes does want us to understand that we must be responsible for our own actions. He spent 40 years teaching the Children of Israel how to be responsible for themselves and they continued to whine and gripe and complain for most of if not all of those forty years. His plan and purpose for us is for us to be what he wants us to be. If that is His fault, I'll take it. We Americans have americanized Christianity to the point that we pray for this and for that from God and in that process we have de-centralized God and put ourselves between us and Him. We are so self absorbed that we can no longer see that God expects us to live as He wants us to and act and do as He wants us to do. His plan is moving along just as He saw it would long before Adam even walked this earth.

Some Christians have more faith in Egypt then Almighty God

Exo 14:10 As Pharaoh drew near, the sons of Israel looked, and behold, the Egyptians were marching after them, and they became very frightened; so the sons of Israel cried out to the LORD.
Exo 14:11 Then they said to Moses, "Is it because there were no graves in Egypt that you have taken us away to die in the wilderness? Why have you dealt with us in this way, bringing us out of Egypt?
Exo 14:12 "Is this not the word that we spoke to you in Egypt, saying, 'Leave us alone that we may serve the Egyptians'? For it would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than to die in the wilderness."
Exo 14:13 But Moses said to the people, "Do not fear! Stand by and see the salvation of the LORD which He will accomplish for you today; for the Egyptians whom you have seen today, you will never see them again forever.
Exo 14:14 "The LORD will fight for you while you keep silent."