That's the point --- is what I post, or what you post, consistent with Scripture, or is it just opinion? That's why you and I are trying to confine ourselves to verses. When Paul says "save yourselves" in 1Tim4:16, is he conveying anything [u]but[/iu] "participateion"? In Philip2:16 --- could Paul mean anything but "my success depends on your perseverance"?
Originally Posted by Redeemed by Grace
"(prove yourselves blameless and innocent, children of God) ...holding fast the word of life, SO THAT in the day of Christ I may have cause to glory because I did not run in vain nor toil in vain (over you)!"
I'm not understanding what you mean by "surety of salvation". Assurance? Guarantee? The steadfastness of election, in Peter's words, is our choice --- 2:1:5-11. Make your ELECTION bebaios-firm/steadfast. Salvation is because of diligent perseverance --- "save yourselves" in 1Tim4:16. The treasure is eternal life, it is given to us through faith, and we guard it by the Holy Spirit's power in 2Tim1:12-14.
It's not opinion that is important but understandings, so I would disagree that each of us has to discern to understand. You are giving me understanding to your own questions about the Arminian ways of faith. How about giving your understandings to just one of mine?
Who then offers surety of a man's salvation? Christ? Or Man?
Note that "guard-by-the-Spirit's-power" in 2Tim1:14 is the same concept as "overcoming the flesh by the Spirit" in Romans8:12-14!
The work of salvation, is Jesus'; wrought sufficient and complete from the Cross. The fabric of salvation is "union" between Creator (Jesus!) and creature (you and me!); we become begotten/adopted children-of-God.
The begottenness is all of Him, and nothing of us; not of our will or effort or anything Human. Jn1:13.
...but becoming begotten, "receiving the free gift of grace", is ALL of us --- John1:12, Romans5:17, etcetera!
The whole point of the discussion --- we do not just receive His grace ONCE, we receive Him and dwell in Him every moment of every day! The whole issue is "ABIDE in Him"!
"As you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith... SEE that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ!" Col2:6-8.
CAN we be "taken captive away from Christ"? Paul says yes! If we are deceived away from Christ, are we still saved? Who decides the "surety of salvation" in Colossians 2:6-8?