OSAS Question

[Galatians 2:21]

I share the same testimony. And welcome to the boards...

Thank you Brother for the warm greeting. Eventhough I am not a Calvinist, I know that we are not able to save ourselves, and we are not able to unsave ourselves. Why would someone want to go back into bondage, even if they could? The Truth(Jesus) set me free, and I am free indeed.

If you are a Calvinist(you username gives me that impression), please do not take offense to my saying I am not a Calvinist. I disagree with that doctrine(and you do mine too, if you're a Calvinist), but we are Brothers by the shed blood of Jesus, and not our doctrines.

[Redeemed by Grace]

Thank you Brother for the warm greeting. Eventhough I am not a Calvinist, I know that we are not able to save ourselves, and we are not able to unsave ourselves. Why would someone want to go back into bondage, even if they could? The Truth(Jesus) set me free, and I am free indeed.

If you are a Calvinist(you username gives me that impression), please do not take offense to my saying I am not a Calvinist. I disagree with that doctrine(and you do mine too, if you're a Calvinist), but we are Brothers by the shed blood of Jesus, and not our doctrines.

I can't stop laughing... for I say to myself when will Christian folk resist judging another brother's faith based on labels and stereotypes... I'm not a Calvinist, don't own any books by him, however based on another poster's suggestion - he showed me a website with some of his writings and have been reading and agreeing to many of of his biblical understandings, but I have never quoted or used his writings as a point of truth, just the bible.

Now having stated that, I am a God Sovernist, where I see a God of precision, order and purpose. That all things are for God and because of God, and by God and through God. That man is sinful, that he desires and enjoys darkness. And thus God makes the 1st move to save those He has given to Jesus. And all that have been given Him will be saved.

[Galatians 2:21]

I can't stop laughing... for I say to myself when will Christian folk resist judging another brother's faith based on labels and stereotypes... I'm not a Calvinist, don't own any books by him, however based on another poster's suggestion - he showed me a website with some of his writings and have been reading and agreeing to many of of his biblical understandings, but I have never quoted or used his writings as a point of truth, just the bible.

Now having stated that, I am a God Sovernist, where I see a God of precision, order and purpose. That all things are for God and because of God, and by God and through God. That man is sinful, that he desires and enjoys darkness. And thus God makes the 1st move to save those He has given to Jesus. And all that have been given Him will be saved.

Brother, I was not judging your faith, and I am sorry, if you took it that way. I was just trying to get a "feel" on where your beliefs were, so that I won't offend you in one of my posts. If we agree, we agree as Brothers in the Lord. If we disagree, we disagree as Brothers in the Lord.

That being said, I agree that God does make the 1st move. But, most will reject Him, and die eternally lost. Those who have been saved, He places a seal on them, and they can not become unsaved(trying to get back to the OP, and not highjack this thread).

[Galatians 2:21]

I can't stop laughing... for I say to myself when will Christian folk resist judging another brother's faith based on labels and stereotypes... I'm not a Calvinist, don't own any books by him, however based on another poster's suggestion - he showed me a website with some of his writings and have been reading and agreeing to many of of his biblical understandings, but I have never quoted or used his writings as a point of truth, just the bible.

Now having stated that, I am a God Sovernist, where I see a God of precision, order and purpose. That all things are for God and because of God, and by God and through God. That man is sinful, that he desires and enjoys darkness. And thus God makes the 1st move to save those He has given to Jesus. And all that have been given Him will be saved.

Oh, and FTR, I have the "Institutes", by Calvin. And though I haven't read a whole lot of it yet, what little I have read, I have found little I agree with. However, God could show me that I am wrong, and change my view. He has changed me on some things over time. I am not unteachable. I want to learn as much about Him as He will show me.

[Redeemed by Grace]

Oh, and FTR, I have the "Institutes", by Calvin. And though I haven't read a whole lot of it yet, what little I have read, I have found little I agree with. However, God could show me that I am wrong, and change my view. He has changed me on some things over time. I am not unteachable. I want to learn as much about Him as He will show me.

Are these writings his or are they about his writings by someone else...?

[Galatians 2:21]

Are these writings his or are they about his writings by someone else...?

They were his writings translated by Henry Beveridge. Since I can not read french, I had to get one translated into english. I think the version I have, was translated in the 1845.

[DeafPosttrib]

Rev. 2:11 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

[Slug1]

If this doctrine was accurate in that a person's belief in Christ is SECURE... then why is God giving this warning?

John 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

[Redeemed by Grace]

Rev. 2:11 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

1 John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

[Redeemed by Grace]

If this doctrine was accurate in that a person's belief in Christ is SECURE... then why is God giving this warning?

John 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

[Caleb]

If this doctrine was accurate in that a person's belief in Christ is SECURE... then why is God giving this warning?

John 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Does it say ‘he who abides in me and then does not abide in me’?

If you believe that this is someone who once abided and then has been cast out, then how long after the not abiding are they cast into the fire? Oh, and can they later repent and become un-withered and re-abide?

[Slug1]

If this doctrine was accurate in that a person's belief in Christ is SECURE... then why is God giving this warning?

Luke 9:62 But Jesus said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”

[Neanias]

Jesus says "Let no man take your crown".

[Old man]

"Paul says that nothing shall separate us from His love. Not even persecution nor tribulation, nor life nor death. Again I would like to point out that Paul does not say 'who can separate God's love from us' because that is without question impossible. If it were possible that we could stop God from loving us, or separate His love from us, then we would be His god, because we have changed Him. So, who or what can separate 'us' from His love? Unless you think Paul was somewhat misguided in his persuasions, then the answer is nothing and no one! Do you believe he got it wrong? Do you know something that Paul did not know?" (Caleb)


You are right that nothing can separate us from the love of God. However, the question is not whether God’s love for us can be diminished, taken away or lost; but our love for Him. “For God so loved the world …” speaks of His love for everyone not just believers and that love doesn’t change. Can our love for Him be diminished, lost (lost being a very poor choice of words) or corrupted to the point where we forfeit the gift of salvation given to us?

[jeffweeder]

What about Judas...osas ?