cure-real
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 40

Thread: Jesus and God the Father's Will

  1. #1

    Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Since Jesus knew in Gethsemane that God the Father's will
    required him to drink from the cup, then wasn't his
    request to have the cup taken away from him against
    God the Father's will?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    ADELAIDE
    Posts
    1,949

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by jasoncohen View Post
    Since Jesus knew in Gethsemane that God the Father's will
    required him to drink from the cup, then wasn't his
    request to have the cup taken away from him against
    God the Father's will?
    Jesus dealt with this throughout his adult life...from the start of his ministry. He knew he would die a terrible death.
    In his humanity, he was dreading what was to come, But he stayed true to his nature, and followed the Father.

  3. #3

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by jasoncohen View Post
    Since Jesus knew in Gethsemane that God the Father's will
    required him to drink from the cup, then wasn't his
    request to have the cup taken away from him against
    God the Father's will?
    Nothing wrong with asking the Father to change his mind/will.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    The beautiful farm in the center of heaven!
    Posts
    2,920
    Blog Entries
    12

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    What is the end of his prayer? Nevertheless, not my will, but YOUR WILL be done.
    Last edited by Saved7; Mar 2nd 2012 at 09:19 PM.
    Don't seek too much knowledge. You just may be putting more weight on your shoulders than you're able to bare. Let God be the one to decide how quickly you grow.

  5. #5

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    Nothing wrong with asking the Father to change his mind/will.
    But as Jesus knew God the Father's will, he knew there was no possibility of the Father changing his mind.

  6. #6

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    I think of this verse written solely for our benefit, remember the Lord sweated drops of blood thinking of what He was about to endure, it is impossible to imagine the wrath of God owing to everyman and his judgment bearing upon Jesus at the time of the cross I think asking the father to remove this cup was not asking Him to change his mind, But is showing us if there was another way for God to wipe away our sins then He would do it another easier way rather than go to the cross. Therefore we know now there was no other way for God to purchase us for himself, He had to endure that cruel cruel cross, Why? All for us...

  7. #7

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by jasoncohen View Post
    But as Jesus knew God the Father's will, he knew there was no possibility of the Father changing his mind.
    That isn't true.

  8. #8

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by boangry View Post
    I think asking the father to remove this cup was not asking Him to change his mind, But is showing us if there was another way for God to wipe away our sins then He would do it another easier way rather than go to the cross.
    That is still asking his Father to change his mind about the events he had earlier decided upon.

  9. #9

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    That is still asking his Father to change his mind about the events he had earlier decided upon.
    How could he ask the Father to change his mind if he knew the Father's will all along.

  10. #10

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by jasoncohen View Post
    How could he ask the Father to change his mind if he knew the Father's will all along.
    He was asking for him to change his mind. He didn't know the answer.

  11. #11

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by ewq1938 View Post
    He was asking for him to change his mind. He didn't know the answer.
    Jesus was prophesied to die without sin. He defined sin as disobedience to the Father's will. So in order for him to remain sinless, he had to know the Father's will at all times...or else he could have disobeyed it only to later justify his sin with a 'hey God I forgot...'

  12. #12

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by jasoncohen View Post
    Jesus was prophesied to die without sin.
    Yes and he did die sinless.

    He defined sin as disobedience to the Father's will.
    Asking your father to change his mind is not a sin.




    So in order for him to remain sinless, he had to know the Father's will at all times
    Incorrect.


    ...or else he could have disobeyed it only to later justify his sin with a 'hey God I forgot...'
    Impossible.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Concord, NC
    Posts
    444

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Matthew 26:39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”

    I believe that the idea or thought here is that Jesus understood that in His Father's eyes He would
    become sin for all the world, I believe that was such an horrible thing for holiness to endure.
    Jesus would have looked at sin much differently than we do.

    He was saying if there were only another way....but if there is not, then Your will I will do.


    I believe those verses are describing His immense agony of what He was to endure, knowing the
    awfulness of sin, not His fear of torture and death on a cross at the hands of wicked men.
    Mark


    “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matthew 7:13-14

    (All Scripture quoted is from NKJV unless otherwise noted)

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    ADELAIDE
    Posts
    1,949

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Jesus never expected the Father to change his mind, he knew all along that he would die for the sins of the world.

    It was a moment of despair, knowing the depth of suffering that was about to befall him.

  15. #15

    Re: Jesus and God the Father's Will

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffweeder View Post
    Jesus never expected the Father to change his mind
    So, he asked three times knowing his Father would decline? Hardly...Jesus was desperate and he sincerely pleaded with his Father to change his mind, to have that symbolic cup pass from him.

    Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up
    prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that
    was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
    Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the
    things which he suffered;

    Mark 14:35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and
    prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.


    what hour is this? and what does it mean for this hour to pass from
    Him?


    Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto
    thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but
    what thou wilt.


    Father, you can do anything! you can take this cup away from me if
    you want, but I pray this only in your will, to take this cup and
    this hour from me only if you agree that it should be done.


    Mark 14:37 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto
    Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?
    Mark 14:38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The
    spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak
    .
    Mark 14:39 And again he went away, and prayed, and spake the same
    words.


    He prayed the same thing again. Please Father change your mind!


    Mark 14:40 And when he returned, he found them asleep again, (for
    their eyes were heavy) neither wist they what to answer him.
    Mark 14:41 And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep
    on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold,
    the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Covenant between God the Father and Jesus?
    By Esperanza32 in forum Bible Chat
    Replies: 51
    Last Post: Feb 13th 2010, 11:40 PM
  2. Jesus's father was Joseph? which one?
    By tmentour in forum Bible Chat
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: Jan 25th 2010, 11:18 PM
  3. Is Jesus equal to the Father?
    By Bladers in forum Bible Chat
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: Feb 10th 2009, 04:25 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •